I wonder just what percentage of the Chinese population has been vaccinated?  I wonder if they are able

to get the AZ vaccine, or even Moderna and Pfizer, if they are rich Chinese. It seems that the countries that have used

the Sinovac were still getting infected with COVID.  I hope that the Thai government really does get lots of

Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, and even the J & J vaccine for its population.  The Delta and Lambda variants seem

to be deadly.  And there were some people who thought the pandemic was close to being over.  Hah!  Think again.

Geezer

 

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

So far no vaccine has been strong enough to create herd immunity throughout any country. 

That is untrue, the data is very clear in the United States.  Just look at the stats in the USA (Pfizer, Moderna), Singapore (Pfizer) & UK (AZ)  VS.  Delta and other variants 

 

The American vaccines are clearly the best 

 

35 minutes ago, chiman said:

That is untrue, the data is very clear in the United States.  Just look at the stats in the USA (Pfizer, Moderna), Singapore (Pfizer) & UK (AZ)  VS.  Delta and other variants 

 

The American vaccines are clearly the best 

 

The American vaccines? The Pfizer/BioNtec vaccine is codeveloped by German company BioNtec, which was co-founded by two Turkish immigrants. Fosun Pharma, Shanghai, is also involved. The essential research into mRNA vaccines was done by Katalin Karikó, a Hungarian biochemist.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioNTech

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karikó

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosun_Pharma

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01545-3

1 hour ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

I wonder just what percentage of the Chinese population has been vaccinated?  I wonder if they are able

to get the AZ vaccine, or even Moderna and Pfizer, if they are rich Chinese. It seems that the countries that have used

the Sinovac were still getting infected with COVID.  I hope that the Thai government really does get lots of

Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, and even the J & J vaccine for its population.  The Delta and Lambda variants seem

to be deadly.  And there were some people who thought the pandemic was close to being over.  Hah!  Think again.

Geezer

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01545-3

 

Fosun Pharma, Shanghai, is in partnership with BioNtec.

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

I would be quite happy if the jabs I haven't had yet were diverted to the medical staff. 

My concern is that it might be diverted to another useless deadhead politician.

Well from what I hear they are planning some junket off to the USA to get booster jabbed.....a classic case of 'I am alright jack'.

Instead of quoting Covid numbers from last year when it was relatively benign here, they should be quoting from the beginning of this year when it all started coming apart. Those numbers are not great by any measure. When is the government going to get off their assets and start purchasing large numbers of the good vaccines…….I guess no time soon.
A Thai family a couple of businesses away from ours all contracted the virus. Are they in the government hospital here in Pattaya? No. Why? There are no beds available.

Thai people are dying because the government twiddles their thumbs and raises their level of incompetence daily. Disgusting.

19 hours ago, riclag said:

My wife informed me yesterday that her niece, who is a nurse in Issan , was getting a booster shot this week  and that the Govt(or decision  makers )weren't  offering the Pfizer, it was the AZ !  

Perhaps  the Provinces are exercising their own precautions and acting asap

Same is true for my daughter-in-law who is a nurse in Khon Kaen. The Pfizer vaccine hasn't been received yet.

Medical workers contact COVID patients so often that no vaccine can prevent infection in this case. But any vaccine will prevent hospitalization and death.

1 minute ago, friendofthai said:

Medical workers contact COVID patients so often that no vaccine can prevent infection in this case. But any vaccine will prevent hospitalization and death.

Your first assertion is dubious. Your second takes no account of the fact that some do it better than others.

1 minute ago, friendofthai said:

Medical workers contact COVID patients so often that no vaccine can prevent infection in this case. But any vaccine will prevent hospitalization and death.

Wrong, any of the US made vacccines will prevent hospitalization or death but the Sinovac will not against the Delta strain.

 

6 fully vaccinated people caught the Delta variant after an outdoor wedding, but the ones with Pfizer and Moderna shots didn't get very sick  (The ones that had Sinovac = 1 died other critical)

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/6-fully-vaccinated-people-caught-the-delta-variant-after-an-outdoor-wedding-but-the-ones-with-pfizer-and-moderna-shots-didnt-get-very-sick/ar-AAM3YbW?li=BBnb7Kz

2 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

Wrong, any of the US made vacccines will prevent hospitalization or death but the Sinovac will not against the Delta strain.

 

6 fully vaccinated people caught the Delta variant after an outdoor wedding, but the ones with Pfizer and Moderna shots didn't get very sick  (The ones that had Sinovac = 1 died other critical)

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/6-fully-vaccinated-people-caught-the-delta-variant-after-an-outdoor-wedding-but-the-ones-with-pfizer-and-moderna-shots-didnt-get-very-sick/ar-AAM3YbW?li=BBnb7Kz

Article says they got an Indian vaccine, not Sinovac. "two had gotten an Indian-made vaccine called Covaxin."

16 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Article says they got an Indian vaccine, not Sinovac. "two had gotten an Indian-made vaccine called Covaxin."

Sorry , my mistake but basicall yas article below and the one I gave you stated if you have one of the US Mrna vaccine you are better protected.

 

 

Most fully vaccinated people who get Covid delta infections are asymptomatic, WHO says

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/most-fully-vaccinated-people-who-get-covid-delta-infections-are-asymptomatic-who-says/ar-AAM436v

1 hour ago, Tony125 said:

"You said

Note. China is the only country to produce large quantity of vaccines because they can mobilize resources. "

I don't think so---The USA   and Pfizer  can make billions of vaccine shots just like China and we even make Astrazeneca  at one of our factories for the Brits as they didn't have the capacity to make as much as we can produce. We did this even though AZ is not approved for use in US and we don't use it. We even have more labs available to make vacccines but have not used them yet as  vacccinations are slowing down in US and we have enough for anyone who wants a shot.

It's not about nationalism pride; it's about the fact. 

https://www.axios.com/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-astrazeneca-pfizer-357c2fa9-3df8-4115-9baa-c5b2375beb44.html

20 hours ago, placnx said:

 

Your second link yields these two links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walvax_COVID-19_vaccine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walvax_COVID-19_vaccine

It's interesting that this private Chinese company, in collaboration with the PLA Academy of Military Science, has registered a clinical trial with the US register of clinical trials. It seems that one Ph 3 trial is taking place in Mexico.

CORRECTION of my post (links for most advanced Chinese mRNA vaccine project:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walvax_COVID-19_vaccine

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04847102

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

So far no vaccine has been strong enough to create herd immunity throughout any country. 

Not even the US has been able to get enough people vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. BBC reported today that in Europe, e.g. France, medical personnel will be required to be vaccinated or not get paid. It seems that bars, etc, in some European countries may require some proof that people are not infected.

7 hours ago, bradiston said:

The American vaccines? The Pfizer/BioNtec vaccine is codeveloped by German company BioNtec, which was co-founded by two Turkish immigrants. Fosun Pharma, Shanghai, is also involved. The essential research into mRNA vaccines was done by Katalin Karikó, a Hungarian biochemist.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioNTech

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katalin_Karikó

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fosun_Pharma

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01545-3

Fosun made a $50mn deal with BioNTech in March 2020. Not sure whether there was any technology transfer. However, there are other mRNA projects in China:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377714/

https://scrip.pharmaintelligence.informa.com/SC144358/How-A-Small-Chinese-Biotech-Is-Taking-On-mRNA-Vaccine-Giants

Just Scare mongering it does't matter what vaccine you get its only to stop you ending up in Hospital. You can still pass it on if your fully vaxed stop worrying.

 

 

Immunized but banned: EU says not all COVID vaccines equal

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/immunized-but-banned-eu-says-not-all-covid-vaccines-equal/ar-AAM5dim

20 hours ago, nauseus said:

sounds fair

All the more reason to wait for the good stuff.

On 7/12/2021 at 4:36 AM, hotchilli said:

That's what you get for buying the cheap Chinese placebo.

It is not cheap at all.

Deceased Samut Sakhon doctor was not vaccinated against Covid-19 

Published : July 13, 2021

The Samut Sakhon public health office clarified on Monday that the late Dr Phicheat Sahakij, who worked at Suang Luang Hospital in Krathum Baen district and died from Covid-19 on July 10, had not been vaccinated against the coronavirus.

 

“Phicheat or Dr Neung was never vaccinated as he has chronic diseases: allergy and asthma,” said Dr Naresrit Khatthasima, chief of the Samut Sakhon public health office. “He developed severe symptoms after infection, coupled with his health problems and exhaustion from working long hours at the hospital. These likely caused the Covid-19 symptoms to develop into pneumonia and respiratory failure.”

 

On Sunday, the Department of Disease Control reported that 880 medics had contracted Covid-19 since the latest wave began in April and seven have died; five were unvaccinated, one had received a dose of Sinovac and another had received two doses of Sinovac. It also said that of those infected, 19.7 per cent, or 173 people, had not been vaccinated.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003169

On 7/12/2021 at 6:48 PM, Bernietravelling said:

Well... that means:

 

only 0.09 % had a positive PCR-Test 

and 0.0003 % died or were severely ill.

 

Since when are vaccines

-especially against viruses-

giving you a 100% protection ???

 

... also Pfizer, Moderna, J&J aren’t claiming that !

 

Life is dangerous and normally, it ends with death ????

 

Funnily, if driving with a car, or even on a motorbike without helmet, they never seems to think about possible dangers ...

 

 

But their lucky amulet protects them in their cars and on their bikes 

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

The Samut Sakhon public health office clarified on Monday that the late Dr Phicheat Sahakij, who worked at Suang Luang Hospital in Krathum Baen district and died from Covid-19 on July 10, had not been vaccinated against the coronavirus.

But the damage has already been done. On this site and others. This issue has turned from a "discussion" into hysteria.

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Deceased Samut Sakhon doctor was not vaccinated against Covid-19 

Published : July 13, 2021

The Samut Sakhon public health office clarified on Monday that the late Dr Phicheat Sahakij, who worked at Suang Luang Hospital in Krathum Baen district and died from Covid-19 on July 10, had not been vaccinated against the coronavirus.

 

“Phicheat or Dr Neung was never vaccinated as he has chronic diseases: allergy and asthma,” said Dr Naresrit Khatthasima, chief of the Samut Sakhon public health office. “He developed severe symptoms after infection, coupled with his health problems and exhaustion from working long hours at the hospital. These likely caused the Covid-19 symptoms to develop into pneumonia and respiratory failure.”

 

On Sunday, the Department of Disease Control reported that 880 medics had contracted Covid-19 since the latest wave began in April and seven have died; five were unvaccinated, one had received a dose of Sinovac and another had received two doses of Sinovac. It also said that of those infected, 19.7 per cent, or 173 people, had not been vaccinated.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003169

Looks like the vaccines work...so far.

 

707 vaccinated - 2 deaths (one vaccinated with only 1 shot)

173 not vaccinated - 5 deaths.

 

Would be good if the age is also mentioned.

On 7/12/2021 at 9:54 AM, EricTh said:

Any medical student know that being vaccinated doesn't mean you will never be infected again. That's not how things work.

Any person with a grain of intelligence would know that. Stating the obvious isn’t exactly an argument winner.

4 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

Any person with a grain of intelligence would know that. Stating the obvious isn’t exactly an argument winner.

Most people like you don't even know the obvious from all the comments that I've read. That's why I have to state the 'obvious'.

 

On 7/13/2021 at 12:28 PM, Eric Loh said:

It's not about nationalism pride; it's about the fact. 

https://www.axios.com/covid-coronavirus-vaccines-astrazeneca-pfizer-357c2fa9-3df8-4115-9baa-c5b2375beb44.html

Well, I'm pretty sure you're right about China producing more vaccines. That said, a link to an articled dated Mar 17 is no way to go about making your point.

A post with a chart that was copy and pasted from some site without a link to the source has been removed. 

 

Scientists could create a single vaccine that fights multiple coronaviruses within 5 years, potentially preventing the next pandemic, an expert says

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/scientists-could-create-a-single-vaccine-that-fights-multiple-coronaviruses-within-5-years-potentially-preventing-the-next-pandemic-an-expert-says/ar-AAM8IXN?li=BBnb7Kz

 

 

 

8 fully vaccinated healthcare workers caught COVID-19 at a Vegas pool party. At least 7 caught the Delta variant, a report said

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/8-fully-vaccinated-healthcare-workers-caught-covid-19-at-a-vegas-pool-party-at-least-7-caught-the-delta-variant-a-report-said/ar-AAM9013?li=BBnb7Kz

 

 

 

Experts explain why the mRNA tech that revolutionized COVID-19 vaccines could be the answer to incurable diseases, heart attacks, and even snake bites: 'The possibilities are endless'

Thailand preparing to limit exports of its COVID-19 vaccine

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thailand-preparing-limit-exports-covid-130745277.html

 

Their factory has only been able to make 5---6 mil doses a month, far below the 10 mil  a month they were supposed to make for domestic use.  They will have to stop exporting to other countries.