44 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

I don’t think that anyone has said, explicitly or implicitly that all 15,000 cases are hospitalized. All the charts, figures and related comments that I have seen in this thread, make it clear that some people are in ICU, some hospitalized, some in field hospitals and some told to isolate in community centres  or at home.

 

I have no difficulty understanding the dynamics of all of the above.

 

how people want to react to the numbers is up to each individual, but I see no confusion over the numbers as reported.

by not telling people the full breakdown and only reporting number of infected they trying to imply all 15000 are sick needing medical.

 

Have a customer, Thai, her sister tested positive, no symptoms at all, got forced into a hospital for 14 day, received no treatment, but her insurance covered entire stay, Her company made tests for all staff and a few tested positive, same thing, all were hospitalized for 2 weeks, no symptoms. full say covered by insurance.

 

I have not denied Covid existence, nor its POSSIBLE killer capabilities, but all information is there for anyone to see, think and process it.

 

They never make an accent on how many recovering, they never state how many needed medical attention, its always how many positive with implication all sick needing help and this is why such a fear of numbers going up.

 

Fact is while numbers going up, ratio does not change, remains at low 2%-3%, meaning 97%-98% were not critical and vast majority in that 98% did not even need medical attention but isolation only

 

8 hours ago, anchadian said:

Party leader and popular candidate for PM calls for political unity, presents a plan to defeat the virus

 

Khunying Sudarat Keyuraphan is an experienced former cabinet minister who was the leading candidate for Prime Minister of the largest Thai political party during the last General Election in 2019. She has served in cabinet under three different prime ministers. This weekend, she called for political unity in Thailand at this time as she presented her party’s blueprint for the country to recover from the currents crisis by the end of 2021.

 

https://www.thaiexaminer.com/thai-news-foreigners/2021/07/25/political-unity-call-to-fight-virus-crisis/

Sudarat is someone who is totally untrustworthy and has spent most of her time in party politics engaged in bitter infighting within her own parties.  A favorite of Thaksin and used by him to keep some other faction leaders at bay, she has no appeal in the provinces and has only ever had a tiny party following in Bangkok but remained relevant due to Thaksin's support.  She was PT's top nominee for PM but failed to get a seat in parliament at the last election because PT was not given any party list seats. The PT constituency MPs who did get seats got increasing feed with her dictating to them from outside parliament and she was ousted as party strategy chief.  PT has the dilemma that, if Prayut were to suddenly resign, they are stuck with Sudarat as their lead nominee for  PM because nominees cannot be changed under the constitution, although she no longer has any standing in the party.  The government is in an even worse position because they only have two nominees: Anutin and Abhisit who is no longer part of the Democrat Party that nominated him.  (This basically means that getting Prayut to step down without either an election or a coup is not an option for the "elite".)

 

Even though Sudarat is a complete waste of space as a leader and a person, her COVID policy makes some sort of sense because just about anyone could put up a more coherent policy that the government has.  What is bothersome is this quote.

 

 "..Introducing her plan on Sunday, themed a ‘blueprint’ to defeat COVID by the end of this year, Khunying Sudarat represented it as a ‘new year’s gift’ to the Thai people and said it would restore normality and happiness..."

 

The last person who promised to restore happiness to the Thai people brought nothing but misery.

8 hours ago, edwinchester said:

Yes it will be very interesting to see Phetchabun case figures reported today.

If those results are from rapid tests, they most likely need to be confirmed with pcr tests. That may explain the delay in reporting those numbers in the total. 

15 minutes ago, mrfill said:

The median is just the mid point between the lowest and highest - 28 + 96 / 2. In the figures quoted, if one person was 28 and all the rest were 96, the median would remain at 64 but the average would be much nearer 96.

No, that's not how the midpoint is cacluated (it's not the average of the highest and lowest values). It is the middle age in the data set if the ages are ranked from lowest to highest. 

3 minutes ago, BestB said:

by not telling people the full breakdown and only reporting number of infected they trying to imply all 15000 are sick needing medical.

 

Have a customer, Thai, her sister tested positive, no symptoms at all, got forced into a hospital for 14 day, received no treatment, but her insurance covered entire stay, Her company made tests for all staff and a few tested positive, same thing, all were hospitalized for 2 weeks, no symptoms. full say covered by insurance.

 

I have not denied Covid existence, nor its POSSIBLE killer capabilities, but all information is there for anyone to see, think and process it.

 

They never make an accent on how many recovering, they never state how many needed medical attention, its always how many positive with implication all sick needing help and this is why such a fear of numbers going up.

 

Fact is while numbers going up, ratio does not change, remains at low 2%-3%, meaning 97%-98% were not critical and vast majority in that 98% did not even need medical attention but isolation only

 

I’m sorry, but I just don’t see that reporting the number of daily cases implies all need medical attention. They are all sick, but many are asymptomatic and I see many references to that.

 

I don’t know, but suspect that you may be in the minority in terms of interpreting the reported case numbers to mean hospitalizations.

 

as I said previously, each individual interprets the numbers to mean what they wish. But I do not see any deliberate attempt to mislead by reporting numbers, as is usually done each day on this thread.

12 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

Sudarat is someone who is totally untrustworthy and has spent most of her time in party politics engaged in bitter infighting within her own parties.  A favorite of Thaksin and used by him to keep some other faction leaders at bay, she has no appeal in the provinces and has only ever had a tiny party following in Bangkok but remained relevant due to Thaksin's support.  She was PT's top nominee for PM but failed to get a seat in parliament at the last election because PT was not given any party list seats. The PT constituency MPs who did get seats got increasing feed with her dictating to them from outside parliament and she was ousted as party strategy chief.  PT has the dilemma that, if Prayut were to suddenly resign, they are stuck with Sudarat as their lead nominee for  PM because nominees cannot be changed under the constitution, although she no longer has any standing in the party.  The government is in an even worse position because they only have two nominees: Anutin and Abhisit who is no longer part of the Democrat Party that nominated him.

 

Even though Sudarat is a complete waste of space as a leader and a person, her COVID policy makes some sort of sense because just about anyone could put a more coherent policy that the government has.  What is bothersome is this quote.

 

 "..Introducing her plan on Sunday, themed a ‘blueprint’ to defeat COVID by the end of this year, Khunying Sudarat represented it as a ‘new year’s gift’ to the Thai people and said it would restore normality and happiness..."

 

The last person who promised to restore happiness to the Thai people brought nothing but misery.

Very interesting background. Thank you.

 

I must admit that reading her blue print it seemed a bit like stating the bleedin obvious, more testing, more vaccines, without really suggesting ways to over come the structural issues that make those things difficult.

34 minutes ago, mrfill said:

The median is just the mid point between the lowest and highest - 28 + 96 / 2. In the figures quoted, if one person was 28 and all the rest were 96, the median would remain at 64 but the average would be much nearer 96.

Not according to this:

https://www.calculators.org/math/mean-median-mode.php

 

18 minutes ago, DavisH said:

No, that's not how the midpoint is cacluated (it's not the average of the highest and lowest values). It is the middle age in the data set if the ages are ranked from lowest to highest. 

or, to put it another way, exactly what I said...

They keep coming.........................

 

The Department of Corrections said there are 1,041 new infections in their prisons. 31 of those were found among new detainees who were in quarantine. There are presently 22 prisons that have outbreaks. Out of 44,783 infected inmates, 37,069 have recovered and 49 died

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1419596841650323456

 

Just saw a news story on the international package distribution center near Suvarnabhumi being closed due to many of the employees having covid.  Looks like anyone expecting a package will not be getting it anytime soon.  Any food stuffs including fruits sent from China and other countries here for vendors will be rotting away soon.  Many of those awaiting products for their stores are just a tad upset it appears.  It appears one of the main delivery Companies Flash Express and their delivery and distribution location is one of the biggest hit.

 

Expect prices of some commodities to possibly rise because of this.

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

I tend to believe the figures from the "The Thailand Development Research Unit" & "Thailand civil registration database" more so than you speculation.

These were the numbers posted earlier on this thread, not my 'speculation' whatever that's supposed to mean.

Photos of medics tending to Covid-19 patients in parking lot grip social media

Thailand’s medical staff and hospitals have been overwhelmed as the number of new Covid-19 cases has been hitting more than 15,000 daily.

In the post on Sunday, the hospital said medical staff had to tend to patients in the parking lot because its emergency room was overflowing. The hospital also thanked its staff for doing their best.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003776

7 minutes ago, mrfill said:

or, to put it another way, exactly what I said...

That's not what you said. You just said add the lowest and highest value and then divide by 2. This is NOT the way to find the median. You need every data point to calculate it. 

Plan B

 

Unplanned herd immunity

34 minutes ago, DavisH said:

That's not what you said. You just said add the lowest and highest value and then divide by 2. This is NOT the way to find the median. You need every data point to calculate it. 

And every data point in the problem are ages 28 and 96. The median is the midpoint age. So: 96-28 = 68. 68/2 = 34. Then the median age is 96-34 = 62, 28+34=62

During 22-25 July, health officials tested 7,164 registered workers at a chicken processing factory in Phetchabun. A total of 3,481 positive cases were found (391 Thai workers & 3,090 migrant workers). In addition, 90 people in nearby villages were found to be infected #COVID19

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1419612234985009157

 

Quite a few people have been asking why the 3,481 workers in Phetchabun, who had tested positive for #COVID19, haven’t yet been added to the national tally. As you can see from the attached infographic, only 370 have been added for Phetchabun over the last four days #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1419612247861514243

 

 

52 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Photos of medics tending to Covid-19 patients in parking lot grip social media

Thailand’s medical staff and hospitals have been overwhelmed as the number of new Covid-19 cases has been hitting more than 15,000 daily.

In the post on Sunday, the hospital said medical staff had to tend to patients in the parking lot because its emergency room was overflowing. The hospital also thanked its staff for doing their best.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003776

It certainly wasn,t Pattaya City Hospital.Was there yesterday arvo. Virtually empty inside.Dr available immediately.Staff aplenty.No it wasn.t covid ward! 

23 minutes ago, morrobay said:

And every data point in the problem are ages 28 and 96. The median is the midpoint age. So: 96-28 = 68. 68/2 = 34. Then the median age is 96-34 = 62, 28+34=62

I wasn't going to bother, however....

To find the median you place all the scores from lowest to highest. The median score is the middle score.

When there is odd number of scores the middle score is the median

When there is even number of scores then the median is the average of the two middle scores. 

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

The government is in an even worse position because they only have two nominees: Anutin and Abhisit who is no longer part of the Democrat Party that nominated him.  (This basically means that getting Prayut to step down without either an election or a coup is not an option for the "elite".)

Wouldn't they still have the unelected PM option?

4 minutes ago, Olmate said:

It certainly wasn,t Pattaya City Hospital.Was there yesterday arvo. Virtually empty inside.Dr available immediately.Staff aplenty.No it wasn.t covid ward! 

It was Bangkok’s Ratchaphiphat Hospital.

This total number is beyond belief.

26 minutes ago, anchadian said:

During 22-25 July, health officials tested 7,164 registered workers at a chicken processing factory in Phetchabun. A total of 3,481 positive cases were found (391 Thai workers & 3,090 migrant workers). In addition, 90 people in nearby villages were found to be infected #COVID19

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1419612234985009157

 

Quite a few people have been asking why the 3,481 workers in Phetchabun, who had tested positive for #COVID19, haven’t yet been added to the national tally. As you can see from the attached infographic, only 370 have been added for Phetchabun over the last four days #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1419612247861514243

 

 

The 3,481 workers at the chicken processing plant in Phetchabun were tested with an Antigen Test Kit. According to government guidelines, as results may not be accurate, these people have to be tested again by RT-PCR before they are entered into the system #Thailand #COVID19

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1419615946231083014

 

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

these people have to be tested again by RT-PCR before they are entered into the system

So when will those numbers show up in daily cases. Approx Wednesday?

Maybe a little optimism (for Bangkok anyway)?

 

Thailand’s Department of Disease Control (DDC) expects COVID-19 infections in Bangkok to decline in late August and early September.

DDC Epidemiology Division Director Dr. Chakkarat Pittayawong-anont said infections in Bangkok are likely to level off, with signs of improvement in four to six weeks.

 

https://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news/detail/TCATG210726124816557

 

1 hour ago, morrobay said:

And every data point in the problem are ages 28 and 96. The median is the midpoint age. So: 96-28 = 68. 68/2 = 34. Then the median age is 96-34 = 62, 28+34=62

the median will take into account the frequency for each group, it's the 50th percentile when you rank the points by ascending or descending order

3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

https://en.as.com/en/2021/06/28/latest_news/1624845252_381097.html

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/vaccinated-people-are-dying-from-the-delta-variant-but-in-small-numbers-and-almost-all-are-over-50-uk-data-shows/ar-AALx7Iw

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/covid-breakthrough-cases-cdc-says-more-than-4100-people-have-been-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html

 

Just a few interesting articles for you

Got any percentage figures the level of protection provided for those previously infected with an earlier variant of Covid? As you may recall, I was replying to this statement:

Neither the poster I was replying to nor you have provided any information to support that assertion.

"Acquired immunity from an infection by the original flavor of Covid doesn’t help much if you are exposed to Delta."

Neither the poster I was replying to nor you have provided any information to support that assertion. Just that some who were previously infected have died of the Delta variant of Covid..

 

49 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Maybe a little optimism (for Bangkok anyway)?

 

Thailand’s Department of Disease Control (DDC) expects COVID-19 infections in Bangkok to decline in late August and early September.

DDC Epidemiology Division Director Dr. Chakkarat Pittayawong-anont said infections in Bangkok are likely to level off, with signs of improvement in four to six weeks.

 

https://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news/detail/TCATG210726124816557

 

Oh thank God those thousands upon thousands of people left BKK and took the covid with them to infect those in other provinces, just makes me feel so much better now knowing by August and September the number will decline.  NOT......

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Got any percentage figures the level of protection provided for those previously infected with an earlier variant of Covid? As you may recall, I was replying to this statement:

Neither the poster I was replying to nor you have provided any information to support that assertion.

"Acquired immunity from an infection by the original flavor of Covid doesn’t help much if you are exposed to Delta."

Neither the poster I was replying to nor you have provided any information to support that assertion. Just that some who were previously infected have died of the Delta variant of Covid..

 

Did you read the first link.

Many people are under the false assumption that once you’ve had covid-19 and recovered that you are immune from getting reinfected.

55 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Maybe a little optimism (for Bangkok anyway)?

 

Thailand’s Department of Disease Control (DDC) expects COVID-19 infections in Bangkok to decline in late August and early September.

DDC Epidemiology Division Director Dr. Chakkarat Pittayawong-anont said infections in Bangkok are likely to level off, with signs of improvement in four to six weeks.

 

https://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news/detail/TCATG210726124816557

 

Quite clever wording on his part. Decline from what number? Today’s case number? Or decline from the as yet unknown high point to be reached?

 

anyway, I can see his point. Either case numbers start falling in Bangkok in 4 weeks time, or the lockdown restrictions either aren’t working, or aren’t being followed, or both. In which case there is a bigger problem.

 

hopefully case numbers fall.

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Did you read the first link.

Many people are under the false assumption that once you’ve had covid-19 and recovered that you are immune from getting reinfected.

Did you read the first link fully?

 

"“We are seeing that natural immunity from prior strains of the virus does not provide very strong protection against this Delta variant,” Jason Bowling, an Infectious Disease specialist at the University Texas Health, said ... "

 

Emphasis theirs.