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Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

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2 hours ago, placeholder said:

This is about how many beds are left. Not the total number of ICU beds. And I know that because I did a search. The Texas Medical Center alone has over 2000 ICU beds.

Do they have enough nurses to staff 2,000 beds? Remember that ICU nursing is one to one.

 

 

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/us-hospitals-face-severe-shortage-of-medical-staff-amid-rush-of-covid-patients-11628824358456.html

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-09-02/us-hospitals-hit-with-nurse-staffing-crisis-amid-covid

 

If there is one good thing about all that, it's that they may have to start treating nurses better and paying them a lot more. For too long nurses have been unappreciated and under paid.

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  • I hope Darwin takes care of the problem of anti vaxers.   https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-made-fun-vaccination-efforts-social-media-dies-covid-n1274922   And sometimes

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    More likely Darwin will take care of people allowing experimental substances into their bodies. If they aren't dangerous, why are all the manufacturers indemnified against any and all problems ar

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    Masks aren't as effective as the OP thinks, especially with Delta. It's not a matter of IF you're going to get infected, but more like WHEN.  Do I think Thai immigration will mandate vaccines for

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36 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Your country may have hospitals with several ICUs, but not all. Where I am it's just the one.

Irrelevant if not enough staff to man them. Apparently there was a shortage of 6 million nurses worldwide pre corona, and thousands are leaving the trade because of overwork and stress, plus many are getting to retiring age , but not enough being trained to replace them. Countries that relied on overseas nurses are also short.

Triage may become the norm, unless something is done to address the situation.

My father was in and out of the hospital for years.  I've spent a lot of time in hospitals, including ICUs.  Most nurses are from the Philippines.  And many doctors are from countries other than the US.

 

Use to be a shortage of pharmacists, so my brother changed careers and became one.  Now?  They've opened up so many new schools, they're too many!  Tough for him to change jobs right now, or get a pay raise.

44 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do they have enough nurses to staff 2,000 beds? Remember that ICU nursing is one to one.

 

 

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/us-hospitals-face-severe-shortage-of-medical-staff-amid-rush-of-covid-patients-11628824358456.html

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-09-02/us-hospitals-hit-with-nurse-staffing-crisis-amid-covid

 

If there is one good thing about all that, it's that they may have to start treating nurses better and paying them a lot more. For too long nurses have been unappreciated and under paid.

I believe in the UK nurses were rewarded with pots and pans being banged loudly on doorsteps across the nation.

 

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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I believe in the UK nurses were rewarded with pots and pans being banged loudly on doorsteps across the nation.

 

I'm sure they'd have appreciated a pay rise more. Pity it takes something like this to make the public aware that nurses save their lives and deserve appreciation every day.

15 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/press-release/preventable-costs-of-unvaccinated-covid-19-patients-rise-sharply-in-august-as-hospitalizations-surge/

 

A surge in COVID-19 hospitalizations among people who have not been vaccinated in August is adding billions of dollars in preventable costs to the nation’s health-care system, an updated KFF analysis finds.

 

In August, the new analysis estimates that the preventable costs of treating unvaccinated patients in  hospitals total $3.7 billion, almost twice the estimates for June and July combined. The total preventable costs for those three months now stand at an estimated $5.7 billion.

If that is in the US, I thought it was privatised, so should be paid for by insurance ( I thought that was what obamacare was for ). So why the problem?

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1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Do they have enough nurses to staff 2,000 beds? Remember that ICU nursing is one to one.

 

 

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/us-hospitals-face-severe-shortage-of-medical-staff-amid-rush-of-covid-patients-11628824358456.html

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-09-02/us-hospitals-hit-with-nurse-staffing-crisis-amid-covid

 

If there is one good thing about all that, it's that they may have to start treating nurses better and paying them a lot more. For too long nurses have been unappreciated and under paid.

The base pay of registered nurses in Texas is about $73,000 US dollars per year. And that's before overtime kicks in. Unfortunately for those nurses and other healthcare workers there's been way too much overtime lately. And idoctors and nurses say the hardest thing for them is the fact the majority of these people are dying because of their ignorance and gullibility. Ignorance and gullibility that strongly align with their political beliefs.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If that is in the US, I thought it was privatised, so should be paid for by insurance ( I thought that was what obamacare was for ). So why the problem?

You don't follow the US news much, I'm guessing.  Insurance is a huge problem there.  The Affordable Care Act was gutted by Trump. 

 

If you understand insurance, you'll know that costs like this cause premiums to rise.  In other words, the anti vaxxer nutters are costing the rest of us big money.  Not fair!!

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

My father was in and out of the hospital for years.  I've spent a lot of time in hospitals, including ICUs.  Most nurses are from the Philippines.  And many doctors are from countries other than the US.

 

Use to be a shortage of pharmacists, so my brother changed careers and became one.  Now?  They've opened up so many new schools, they're too many!  Tough for him to change jobs right now, or get a pay raise.

I'd imagine pay rates are comparable, so the choice is bed pans, blood, needle stick and deaths, getting sued as a routine, OR nice clean pharmacy and no risk of death. Hmmmm, which one, which one?

 

Reminds me of the 90s in NZ when they trained too many nurses for available positions because the ( had to pay to train ) schools wanted to make money, and many potential nurses couldn't get jobs. Time have changed now though, and jobs are unfilled because not enough people training.

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34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd imagine pay rates are comparable, so the choice is bed pans, blood, needle stick and deaths, getting sued as a routine, OR nice clean pharmacy and no risk of death. Hmmmm, which one, which one?

 

Reminds me of the 90s in NZ when they trained too many nurses for available positions because the ( had to pay to train ) schools wanted to make money, and many potential nurses couldn't get jobs. Time have changed now though, and jobs are unfilled because not enough people training.

Thanks to the internet, you could look this stuff up rather than using your imagination. In the USA the average median wage for pharmacists was $128, 700. So in this case your imagination definitely failed you.

And you should stop generalizing about nurses' pay. Both the UK and New Zealand RNs earn a lot less than do American RNs.

Finally, what makes you assume that someone who chooses to be a pharmacist would otherwise be considering nursing as a career? 

8 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

You don't follow the US news much, I'm guessing.  Insurance is a huge problem there.  The Affordable Care Act was gutted by Trump. 

 

If you understand insurance, you'll know that costs like this cause premiums to rise.  In other words, the anti vaxxer nutters are costing the rest of us big money.  Not fair!!

Odd because my Ins premium remains the same.

9 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Odd because my Ins premium remains the same.

Thanks for the personal testimony. Even if it were possible to independently confirm it, what value would it have?

I have attached a link to independently confirmable evidence so you'll know what it looks like. It's only for the individual market but it does give an idea of what effect covid could have on rates

https://acasignups.net/rate-changes/2021

13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Odd because my Ins premium remains the same.

Healthcare Costs, Premiums Likely to Rise for Years Due to COVID-19

 

https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2021/08/16/627324.htm

 

https://theconversation.com/can-health-insurance-companies-charge-the-unvaccinated-higher-premiums-what-about-life-insurers-5-questions-answered-165959

New study finds that COVID-19 can damage brain cells, impairing cognitive function. Studies have previously found that up to 84% of COVID-19 patients suffer from neurological symptoms, anosmia (loss of sense of taste or smell), epileptic seizures, strokes, loss of consciousness, and confusion

 

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/covid-19-can-kill-brain-cells-impairing-cognitive-function-study-2021-10

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd imagine pay rates are comparable, so the choice is bed pans, blood, needle stick and deaths, getting sued as a routine, OR nice clean pharmacy and no risk of death. Hmmmm, which one, which one?

 

Reminds me of the 90s in NZ when they trained too many nurses for available positions because the ( had to pay to train ) schools wanted to make money, and many potential nurses couldn't get jobs. Time have changed now though, and jobs are unfilled because not enough people training.

NZ coronavirus outbreak spreads to South Island

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/nz-coronavirus-outbreak-spreads-to-south-island/vi-AAPRM9b

 

 

Austrian chancellor says the unvaccinated could be forced to lockdown in their homes if COVID-19 cases worsen

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/austrian-chancellor-says-the-unvaccinated-could-be-forced-to-lockdown-in-their-homes-if-covid-19-cases-worsen/ar-AAPRX9O?li=BBnb7Kz

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10 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Odd because my Ins premium remains the same.

Just wait.  It takes time for these things to happen.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/25/delta-air-lines-unvaccinated-employees-will-face-200-fees-if-they-dont-get-covid-vaccine.html

 

Delta Air Lines is raising health insurance premiums for unvaccinated employees by $200 a month to cover higher Covid costs

18 hours ago, placeholder said:

Thanks to the internet, you could look this stuff up rather than using your imagination. In the USA the average median wage for pharmacists was $128, 700. So in this case your imagination definitely failed you.

And you should stop generalizing about nurses' pay. Both the UK and New Zealand RNs earn a lot less than do American RNs.

Finally, what makes you assume that someone who chooses to be a pharmacist would otherwise be considering nursing as a career? 

Seems the answer to nurse shortage is easily fixed then. Just pay them same as pharmacists.

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14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems the answer to nurse shortage is easily fixed then. Just pay them same as pharmacists.

The educational and training requirements are vastly different.  Doesn't make sense.

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6 hours ago, mavi said:

The OP is "for visa reasons" and it seems that it will never happen !

what a great country ❤️

 

I thought they promised we only needed to 2 weeks to flatten the curve...

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24 minutes ago, mavi said:

 

Sooner or later everybody will get covid, right ?

so you mean that 68 millions people in Thailand who didn't get covid will get it soon ? Hospitals will be overcrowded !!!

how can people be so ridiculous ?

Many people didn't get covid and will not get it, because they are not idiots who are born knowing nothing who will die still understanding nothing !

I haven't and will not vaccinate because old men who fear death already did it, thank you so much real men ❤️

 

 

 

 

Your argument, if it can be dignified as such, seems to be that because you haven't contracted covid up to now then you won't ever contract it. If that were a valid argument, then anyone who hasn't contracted covid up to now will never contract it. So, has the case rate dropped to zero?

2 minutes ago, thaicookingchef said:

 

No vaccine, no covid here also, we are millions, and sooner or later the world will know how liars are the provax...

 

 

I know many provaxers that are not liars, don't be polarized. 

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6 hours ago, thaicookingchef said:

 

No vaccine, no covid here also, we are millions, and sooner or later the world will know how liars are the provax...

 

 

Stay lucky.

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6 hours ago, redwood1 said:

I thought they promised we only needed to 2 weeks to flatten the curve...

I don’t recall that promise, but I do recall ‘It will be gone by Easter’.

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Stay lucky.

 

or just SMART as I am doing since 2 years and as ANYBODY with a brain could have done !

 

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7 hours ago, thaicookingchef said:

 

No vaccine, no covid here also, we are millions, and sooner or later the world will know how liars are the provax...

 

 

No covid here is BS. It's everywhere. Stop trolling.

7 hours ago, redwood1 said:

I thought they promised we only needed to 2 weeks to flatten the curve...

Probably promised that in the  fake news right wing media outlets.  LOL

12 hours ago, redwood1 said:

I thought they promised we only needed to 2 weeks to flatten the curve...

2 weeks turned into 18 months and in Singapore's case now, the curve is flattened, just on the wrong axis despite being 80% fully vaccinated.

for graph in proper orientation showing slope as undefined refer to this link for details of very high c19 infection and vaccination. debunk this!

 

Link: Our World in Data

 

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