Why so many chinese cars MG cars ? do people only care to buy something cheap, whatever is the quality ?

[Andrew Dwyer]

35 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

MG (ZS) doesn't offer spares.  Available to buy, which do to communication error, I order a full size wheel, which turned into a good mistake.  As only ฿1k more than the 'mini' spare.  Trunk space a bit less, and 'shelf' on upper tier, which my back likes anyway. 

 

Haven't needed the extra space, and floor jack fits under it nicely, so win win.  When ready to replace tires, I'll only need 3, and use my spare, swap for one of the worn tires.  Plus the little air compressor that came with the car, didn't last long, as I used it for my bike tires, and it crapped out.

Am aware of no spare supplied with the MG ZS but a full size spare or an emergency spare can be sourced.

As we were discussing GWM cars my point was due to the hybrid battery in H6 and Jolien the trunk floor is already very high ( a lot higher than the top level of ZS ) making a emergency/full size spare pretty much impossible ( and as we all know, the pump and foam is useless for sidewall or wheel damage ). I wondered how this is overcome on other hybrids ( HS or Cross etc ) ? am assuming that the battery is in a different location.

I was surprised to see the level of trunk floor in H6 and Jolien, it’s an extremely shallow trunk for a decent SUV, wondering if others have noticed.

 

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

MG well established here, although we just got a dealer locally, and bought ours (9/2020) from Hua Hin, 100 kms N of us.

 

GWM now expanding, rapidly, as saw their rather large dealership being built in Hua Hin, and should be ready in a few months, if that.   Actually surprised, since just arriving in Krung Thep a short time ago.

 

Have even seen a few H6s locally, also a bit surprising.

Been seeing quite a few Haval H6's running around Bangkok in the past week since my return, but still loads more MG's HS's and ZS's as well as the new sedans......My HS now has 14k km on it and I have had it just under a year as I bought it during last years car show here in BKK.  Still runs great, no issues, and while I was gone for my 5 week trip to the US I kept the battery charged by using the mobile app and starting it every 4th day while it was parked in the condo's garage. Yes I was able to remote start it from 8k miles away.....

[Bandersnatch]

2 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

 

MG PHEV is on par with Haval H6. Not sure which one is newer. But as there is a Dealer near to me probably MG "IF" I was in the market for one.

Have had an MG PHEV for about 9 months. I run it as a full EV nearly all the time charged from my solar system. Love the car. I have uploaded a few videos about it on my channel 

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You really seriously think an MG will outlast Toyota or Isuzu? As for your "high end car" they are bought because they are high end. Toyotas and Isuzu's are purchased for reliability.

Exactly and Yes I do seriously think the MG will be a contender for reliability like a Toyota or an Isuzu. I have had a few High end cars during my life and I can say the MG I have now is right up there with them in everything except the powertrain.  I sold my Cayenne and then bought my MG repatriating the money back to the States where I assisted my daughter in purchasing her house in the Portland Area.

[EVENKEEL]

7 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Exactly and Yes I do seriously think the MG will be a contender for reliability like a Toyota or an Isuzu. I have had a few High end cars during my life and I can say the MG I have now is right up there with them in everything except the powertrain.  I sold my Cayenne and then bought my MG repatriating the money back to the States where I assisted my daughter in purchasing her house in the Portland Area.

So you went from one extreme to the other. My daughter wants me to buy an MG because they come in yellow. I had to disappoint her and settle for the Isuzu MUX.

[EVENKEEL]

57 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Somebody is obviously very sensitive about being called a cheap charlie  - prove you daily driver isn't a 10 year old scoopy @CC  ????

 

 

 

I love my Scoopy, 

[TechDiff]

I'll give a small feedback about Chinese cars , specially the 2022 MG RX8 that we bought from my wife, the car on paper and from far looks fine, and the price is ok ... that's about it , luckily it's for my wife and I dont have to drive it, because ..it feels cheap ,we replaced our old 2015 jeep grand Cherokee for this brand new MG and I have to say the jeep was ten times better "in terms of power /quality /luxury feel " ...

so eventually it depends on the individual taste and value for money, and definitely Chinese cars could become much better in the future and they are close, but not for me????

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, TechDiff said:

I'll give a small feedback about Chinese cars , specially the 2022 MG RX8

Not even available here, so don't think anyone has to worry.  

 

"Jeep-parent Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and China's GAC Group", ... that Jeep might not be all that red white & blue.

[Yellowtail]

On 4/16/2022 at 8:29 PM, KhunLA said:

Not even available here, so don't think anyone has to worry.  

The MG RX8? Supposed to be coming. 

 

On 4/16/2022 at 8:29 PM, KhunLA said:

 

"Jeep-parent Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and China's GAC Group", ... that Jeep might not be all that red white & blue.

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The MG RX8? Supposed to be coming. 

Yea I saw that.  

 

And the Jeep, back to being made / assembled in USA.  Mostly yank parts, but surely infected with some Chinese.

 

That's right on topic, foreign company buys, and keeps the 'Chrysler' badge ???? Even the govt took a billion $$$ loss trying to bail them out.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler#2014–2021:_Fiat_Chrysler_Automobiles

 

"The US Treasury, through the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), invested $12.5 billion in Chrysler and recovered $11.2 billion when the company shares were sold in May 2011, resulting in a $1.3 billion loss. On July 21, 2011, Fiat bought the Chrysler shares held by the US Treasury.[54] The purchase made Chrysler foreign-owned again, this time as the luxury division. The Chrysler 300 was badged Lancia Thema in some European markets (with additional engine options), giving Lancia a much needed replacement for its flagship.

2014–2021: Fiat Chrysler Automobiles

 

On January 21, 2014, Fiat bought the remaining shares of Chrysler owned by the VEBA worth $3.65 billion."

[Yellowtail]

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Yea I saw that.  

 

And the Jeep, back to being made / assembled in USA.  Mostly yank parts, but surely infected with some Chinese.

 

That's right on topic, foreign company buys, and keeps the 'Chrysler' badge ???? Even the govt took a billion $$$ loss trying to bail them out.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler#2014–2021:_Fiat_Chrysler_Automobiles

 

"The US Treasury, through the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), invested $12.5 billion in Chrysler and recovered $11.2 billion when the company shares were sold in May 2011, resulting in a $1.3 billion loss. On July 21, 2011, Fiat bought the Chrysler shares held by the US Treasury.[54] The purchase made Chrysler foreign-owned again, this time as the luxury division. The Chrysler 300 was badged Lancia Thema in some European markets (with additional engine options), giving Lancia a much needed replacement for its flagship.

2014–2021: Fiat Chrysler Automobiles

 

On January 21, 2014, Fiat bought the remaining shares of Chrysler owned by the VEBA worth $3.65 billion."

Another bone-headed idea.  They never should have been "bailed out".

 

In any event, I think they're part of Stellantis now. 

[EVENKEEL]

8 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Yea I saw that.  

 

And the Jeep, back to being made / assembled in USA.  Mostly yank parts, but surely infected with some Chinese.

 

That's right on topic, foreign company buys, and keeps the 'Chrysler' badge ???? Even the govt took a billion $$$ loss trying to bail them out.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler#2014–2021:_Fiat_Chrysler_Automobiles

 

"The US Treasury, through the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), invested $12.5 billion in Chrysler and recovered $11.2 billion when the company shares were sold in May 2011, resulting in a $1.3 billion loss. On July 21, 2011, Fiat bought the Chrysler shares held by the US Treasury.[54] The purchase made Chrysler foreign-owned again, this time as the luxury division. The Chrysler 300 was badged Lancia Thema in some European markets (with additional engine options), giving Lancia a much needed replacement for its flagship.

2014–2021: Fiat Chrysler Automobiles

 

On January 21, 2014, Fiat bought the remaining shares of Chrysler owned by the VEBA worth $3.65 billion."

Good on you, trying to justify buying a cheap China built car.

[KhunLA]

27 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Good on you, trying to justify buying a cheap China built car.

Don't have to justify buying an inexpensive, good value car.  No matter where made.  Just pointing out to the ignorant folks, your vehicle may not be made by the original manufacturer, and only the name remains the same. 

 

As people point out about the MG.  I hope everyone is as happy with their choice as we are with our MG.  China has their hand & parts in everything.  Just accept it and be happy that they do.

 

Competition is a beautiful thing.  Sad that it's China,  keeping the 'free enterprise / market' alive.  Big 3 lost there monopoly decades ago, or most probably wouldn't be able to afford their junk.

 

Detroit basically made expensive c r a p IMHO,  The whole (old) USA car industry, Big 3 was mismanaged from the top down to the very bottom union worker, that priced themselves out of jobs.

 

Som naa na

 

If a Yank, you remember how cars were expensive, until the VW Beetle hit the market.  Followed up by Japanese cars.  Detroit couldn't come close to competing, so simply partnered up with them, and rebadged their fine cars with Yank emblems ... ????  And still do with China, on the US & international markets.

 

Eyes wide open here  ...  just accept it.

[Rimmer]

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[Isaan sailor]

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Don't have to justify buying an inexpensive, good value car.  No matter where made.  Just pointing out to the ignorant folks, your vehicle may not be made by the original manufacturer, and only the name remains the same. 

 

Competition is a beautiful thing.  Sad that it's China,  keeping the 'free enterprise / market' alive.  Big 3 lost there monopoly decades ago, or most probably wouldn't be able to afford their junk.

 

As people point out about the MG.  I hope everyone is as happy with their choice as we are with our MG.  China has their hand & parts in everything.  Just accept it and be happy that they do.

 

Detroit basically made expensive c r a p IMHO,  The whole (old) USA car industry, Big 3 was mismanaged from the top down to the very bottom union worker, that priced themselves out of jobs.

 

Som naa na

Ford Ranger—designed in Australia, uses Mazda powertrain (in LoS), assembled in Thailand and other countries.  Damned good light duty truck.

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Ford Ranger—designed in Australia, uses Mazda powertrain (in LoS), assembled in Thailand and other countries.  Damned good light duty truck.

Ford partnered up with Mazda decades ago.  Had a Mazda 323, then a Ford Escort ... too funny, and obvious who made the Escort.

 

Brother had a couple Rangers, and just recently switched over to RAM, and liked them both.  I had an older F-100, days past, and a Nissan truck, both very good.

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I had an older F-100...

I has a '68  and a '53, both were great. 

 

I has an '89 Festiva which was the most cost effective, trouble free car I ever owned. I think it was a Ford/Kia JV. It also had the coldest AC of anything I have owned. 

 

When you saw a Pep Boys tire ad for $12.99 tires, those were the tires that fit that Festiva. 

 

[transam]

Bit off topic, but I see the Mazda truck is now powered by an Isuzu lump....????

[Heng]

China says lay back, let it happen, remember to breathe.  ????

[VocalNeal]

13 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The MG RX8? Supposed to be coming. 

And there's me got sucked into a potential rotary. Briefly.????

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

And there's me got sucked into a potential rotary. Briefly.????

People love that RX-8, and the rotary engine's supposed to make a comeback this year...

[Yellowtail]

8 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

And there's me got sucked into a potential rotary. Briefly.????

Took me a minute to get it...

 

I think the RX-9 for 2023....

[kwilco]

Since the 2014 sale of Chrysler and Jeep to FIAT jeeplike and other similar vehicles are now produced by BAIC subsidiary Beijing Automobile Works Co., Ltd. (BAW). Fiat-Chrysler plans to re-open Jeep production in China through a joint venture with Guangzhou Automobile Industry Group (GAIG). Wiki

[Tuvoc]

I remember when Korean cars first came out, there was the same degree of scepticism towards them as we're seeing now with Chinese cars as international availability expands. Korean cars have international acceptance and credibility now, and the same will happen with Chinese cars as well.

[Ralf001]

On 4/18/2022 at 9:17 AM, Isaan sailor said:

Ford Ranger—designed in Australia, uses Mazda powertrain (in LoS), assembled in Thailand and other countries.  Damned good light duty truck.

Ranger has not used a mazda powertrain since the PX model was introduced in 2011

[Ralf001]

On 4/18/2022 at 10:01 AM, transam said:

Bit off topic, but I see the Mazda truck is now powered by an Isuzu lump....????

Yeah, the whole thing is a rebadged D-Max.

 

Happened when Ford and Mazda stopped shared vehicle development..... think that was back around 2010, The BT-50/Ranger was entering final PPAP phase at that point so beginning of model life.

10 years later end of model life, Mazda needs a new bed partner.... Hello Izuzu !!

[transam]

10 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

I remember when Korean cars first came out, there was the same degree of scepticism towards them as we're seeing now with Chinese cars as international availability expands. Korean cars have international acceptance and credibility now, and the same will happen with Chinese cars as well.

Depends, if reliability is much the same as other Chinese stuff I have bought over the years.......????

[Henryford]

27 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

I remember when Korean cars first came out, there was the same degree of scepticism towards them as we're seeing now with Chinese cars as international availability expands. Korean cars have international acceptance and credibility now, and the same will happen with Chinese cars as well.

Not after they invade Taiwan. Try getting parts then.

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, Tuvoc said:

I remember when Korean cars first came out, there was the same degree of scepticism towards them as we're seeing now with Chinese cars as international availability expands. Korean cars have international acceptance and credibility now, and the same will happen with Chinese cars as well.

North Korean cars? S. Korea is NOTHING like China. 

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

North Korean cars? S. Korea is NOTHING like China. 

Why do Chinese cars have heated rear windscreens?

 

They help keep your hands warm whilst pushing.