14 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Neither, a lot of people want to know what is really going on and why.

And Trump couldpossibly  help answer that question by releasing the contents of the warrant. Shame on him!

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Funny. You still won't forthrightly declare that Trump should release the text of the warrant. Hmmm...why is that?

I don't what it says. If the FBI have their reasons for withholding, maybe Trump has been advised to do the same. I don't know the real reason and few others will know, either.

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

A mob with pitchforks doesn't get to dictate when and what evidence the FBI needs to release.

Your words do not help.

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Your words do not help.

We're talking about people who are accusing the FBI of corruption and planting evidence.

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I don't what it says. If the FBI have their reasons for withholding, maybe Trump has been advised to do the same. I don't know the real reason and few others will know, either.

So, why are you calling on the FBI to release information if you don't know the real reasons.

32 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Lets look at the facts that are not in dispute.

 

1. We know Trump still has documents he holds illegally and removed illegally after 18 months of leaving office. Eric admitted it.

2. We know that negotiations to get them back have failed. Eric claimed they were ongoing.

 

What was the FBI going to do? Nothing, because it's political? Keep writing nice letters that start with please? Send a subpoena for Trump to ignore or appeal? No matter what the outcome of any such appeal, there is only one lawful location those documents can be and they aren't in it.

 

It's possible that there is a national security aspect to this as well as the requirements for such a raid require that the evidence they use be fresh.

 

I fail to see how these actions can be at all divisive. Reasonable people should have an open mind and wait for the outcome. People looking for the next conspiracy are losing their heads.

WE don't know anything. How come Eric has become so trustworthy all of a sudden?

 

NARA does not seem to be sure what is missing, if anything.

 

Facts that are not in dispute do not include mere possibilities.

 

This FBI raid has never been tried on a former President, particularly one that still has the support of close to half the country (at a minimum). That support wants to know what is going on and why. The sooner it's all sorted the better.  

 

 

15 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So, why are you calling on the FBI to release information if you don't know the real reasons.

Drinks.....methinks

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

WE don't know anything. How come Eric has become so trustworthy all of a sudden?

 

NARA does not seem to be sure what is missing, if anything.

 

Facts that are not in dispute do not include mere possibilities.

 

This FBI raid has never been tried on a former President, particularly one that still has the support of close to half the country (at a minimum). That support wants to know what is going on and why. The sooner it's all sorted the better.  

 

facts that are not in dispute.

Eric might not  be all that bright but he wouldn't lie against his own interests. If Eric admits they have some documents then we should believe he's not just trolling the FBI. He said negotiations between daddy's lawyer and the FBI were ongoing.

 

Should the FBI release that evidence before a trial?

 

I do agree that I'd also like to this this resolved asap, regardless of the outcome. I just don't think we're going to see that due to normal legal process.

FBI's Trump Informants Are Traitors, Marjorie Taylor Greene Says

https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-fbi-informants-traitors-trump-1732792

 

1 hour ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Oh I stopped believing  all that anti Trump  propaganda  years ago. If he had committed a crime that could be proves he would  be prosecuted. Until he is found guilty by a legal court of law any assertions about guilt are hysterical  nonsense made by political  opponents and enemies . As for the this latest raid - The Democrats  are notorious  for  using state  institutions to attack their opponents as Obama harnessed the authority  of the IR to harras people.

Biden and his son are criminals by your standards but like Trump they havent  been prosecuted.

Where did you learn all that? FOX "news"?

It's sometimes useful to  get a less partisan  view of recent events and look at the Mar a lago raid and its broader implications for the USA.

There is nothing to celebrate when an ex president  gets raided whether the raid transpires to be justified or not- its a disaster - whoever is the ex president  in question and as outlined in the article- A dangerous  moment in American history

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/08/11/the-mar-a-lago-raid-is-a-dangerous-moment-for-america/

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but they weren't people, they were fraudent political organisations masquerading as tax deductible charitable organizations

When the IR turns you out  its irrelevant what your status is because they distrupt you and your  activities,  prevent your organisation  from functioning  for about two years  and cause great expense. Obama  was on record as approving using the IR in a partizan  way I believe but I don't  know the results of the IR raids or who  was or was  not prosecuted.

17 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

It's sometimes useful to  get a less partisan  view of recent events and look at the Mar a lago raid and its broader implications for the USA.

There is nothing to celebrate when an ex president  gets raided whether the raid transpires to be justified or not- its a disaster - whoever is the ex president  in question and as outlined in the article- A dangerous  moment in American history

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/08/11/the-mar-a-lago-raid-is-a-dangerous-moment-for-america/

Obviously it is sad that this happens. But IMHO it would be a lot worse if it wouldn't happen. Imagine Trump getting elected again (or maybe not even legally elected) and he knows he can do anything and nothing will happen. That is scary, very scary.

Off-topic posts and replies removed.

 

4 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

When the IR turns you out  its irrelevant what your status is because they distrupt you and your  activities,  prevent your organisation  from functioning  for about two years  and cause great expense. Obama  was on record as approving using the IR in a partizan  way I believe but I don't  know the results of the IR raids or who  was or was  not prosecuted.

"Obama  was on record as approving using the IR in a partizan  way I believe..."

 

"I believe" you are wrong.  I believe you can't find any credible source to support that claim.

8 hours ago, nauseus said:

I cannot prove the existence of the Lord. I cannot disprove it either.

 

Evidence would be good. But where is it? I was hoping that the FBI might like to share.

Wait a second.

 

You can expect claims to be backed by evidence.

 

Or:

 

You can support Trump.

 

You can't do both.

Garland said the Justice Department filed a motion requesting the Trump warrant and property receipt be unsealed. So the court will decide.

 

It seems that the DOJ wants to make sure it does everything by the book.

 

Those who were expecting anything else will likely be disappointed.......

On 8/8/2022 at 9:17 PM, JonnyF said:

Wow. State sponsored raids on the homes of political rivals?

 

The USA is looking more and more like a third world banana republic every day.

 

On 8/8/2022 at 9:27 PM, JonnyF said:

Of course it was politically motivated. They are terrified of him returning to power and are desperate to find something on him. Anything will do.

 

It's a shame the FBI weren't so thorough when given Hunter Biden's laptop.

 

On 8/10/2022 at 1:00 AM, JonnyF said:

You simply cannot understand someone coming from a neutral impartial position. It literally blows your mind. To the point that you use my confirmation that I dislike both as evidence that I must love Trump.

 

It's bizarre frankly. There is a well known 3 letter acronym to describe the phenomenon but last time I used it my post was removed so I won't use it again.

Here's something to lighten the mood:

 

First post:  "Wow. State sponsored raids on the homes of political rivals?"

 

Second post:  "Of course it was politically motivated."

 

Much later post:  "You simply cannot understand someone coming from a neutral impartial position."

 

I won't attempt a punchline, I'm too overwhelmed by the choices.

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

FBI's Trump Informants Are Traitors, Marjorie Taylor Greene Says

https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-fbi-informants-traitors-trump-1732792

 

She is a far Right conspiracy theorist 

 

"Marjorie Taylor Greene, also known by her initials MTG, is an American politician, businesswoman, and far-right conspiracy theorist "

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32 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

She is a far Right conspiracy theorist 

 

"Marjorie Taylor Greene, also known by her initials MTG, is an American politician, businesswoman, and far-right conspiracy theorist "

'

A lot of Trump supporters fit that description.  Ever hear of Qanon?

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

A lot of Trump supporters fit that description.  Ever hear of Qanon?

The vast majority of the Trump fans believe the Big Lie. It's tragic that one of the two parties of consequence in the U.S. has been hijacked by pro autocracy, anti democracy right wing extremists. 

15 minutes ago, heybruce said:

A lot of Trump supporters fit that description.  Ever hear of Qanon?

No, I don't take much notice of extremists .

They are entertainers whose job it is to be outrageous and extreme and they thrive on the publicity 

This is what happens when an ex president accuses the FBI of planting evidence.

 

An armed man decked out in body armor tried to breach a security screening area at an FBI field office Thursday, then fled and was injured in an exchange of gunfire in an hourslong standoff with law enforcement that persisted into late afternoon, authorities said.

 

The confrontation that began at the FBI’s Cincinnati office came as officials warned of an increase in threats against federal agents in the days following a search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

 

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-cincinnati-armed-man-b4701596a0eb9770e3b29e95328f5704

18 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

OTT hyperbolic rant, flames and unsupported claims ignored.

 

 On the money subject, wasn't it President Trump that did not accept his salary but donated it to worthy causes(1)? He was an idealist wanting to make America great again, not a money motivated guy like the current one. Because he largely paid for his campaign himself(2) he hasn't beholden to lobbyists like most Presidents which was extremely triggering for these powerful groups that wielded influence of policy making for decades.

 I do not know a single supporter of President Donald Trump that feels like they have been made a sucker. Why would they?

 

supporting evidence of claims made.

 

(1)https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/

 

( 2)"Trump has paid for the majority, but not all, of his presidential campaign out of his own pocket. Trump's self-funding accounts for 72 percent of his campaign spending so far ($45.7 million in campaign loans and $63.3 million in expenditures as of May 31). Trump raised the remainder from mostly small donors."

https://www.npr.org/2016/07/14/485699964/every-position-donald-trump-has-taken-on-how-he-is-funding-his-campaign

Ah yes, the old , but he took no salary so he's a saint, all the while golfing hundreds of times and bilking the taxpapers out of millions of dollars but overcharging the secret service for services.

 

Where will we erect the statue of Donny "two scoops"?

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/trump-secret-service-spending/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/newly-obtained-documents-show-157000-in-additional-payments-by-the-secret-service-to-trump-properties/2020/03/05/7da2a610-5cbd-11ea-b014-4fafa866bb81_story.html

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/09/17/trump-organization-reportedly-charged-us-government-over-11-million-for-luxury-hotel-stays/?sh=ee9038d55411

My previous prediction has come true. No surprises there. Good to see most people know a politicized witch-hunt when they see it, more-so as it is not the first time they accused Trump of crazy stuff without evidence to back it up.

 

83% of Republicans and 72% of Independents are now more motivated to vote in the 2022 midterm elections as a result of the FBI raid.

https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/COSA-FBI-Raid-Motivation-Full-Report-08-10.pdf

31 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

My previous prediction has come true.

Goodness....did you also call the Covid pandemic way back in 2009? Were you Nostradamus in a previous life? Are you holding seminars to share with the less fortunate your galactic wisdom? Maybe something online?

 

That a CULT might get upset because their messiah might be held accountable for his criminality and grifting comes as a surprise to this many sane people over the age of seven:  ZERO

 

 

8 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Goodness....did you also call the Covid pandemic way back in 2009? Were you Nostradamus in a previous life? Are you holding seminars to share with the less fortunate your galactic wisdom? Maybe something online?

 

That a CULT might get upset because their messiah might be held accountable for his criminality and grifting comes as a surprise to this many sane people over the age of seven:  ZERO

 

 

I see you deleted his poll. 

5 hours ago, candide said:

Garland said the Justice Department filed a motion requesting the Trump warrant and property receipt be unsealed. So the court will decide.

 

It seems that the DOJ wants to make sure it does everything by the book.

 

Those who were expecting anything else will likely be disappointed.......

Yes Trump could have made the details of the warrant public himself, now Garland is asking the court to release them publicly, Trump has until Friday to object.

 

Donald Trump: Mar-a-Lago search warrant could be unsealed

 

The US Department of Justice is asking a Florida court to unseal the warrant that let FBI agents search former President Donald Trump's home.

If granted, the request would make the documents available to the public, the justice department has so far not revealed the reason for the search - but the unsealed warrant could.

Mr Trump has until Friday to object to the unsealing - or could release details of the warrant himself.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62512360

29 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Goodness....did you also call the Covid pandemic way back in 2009? Were you Nostradamus in a previous life? Are you holding seminars to share with the less fortunate your galactic wisdom? Maybe something online?

 

That a CULT might get upset because their messiah might be held accountable for his criminality and grifting comes as a surprise to this many sane people over the age of seven:  ZERO

 

 

CULT?

 

Although used dozens of time daily on any thread to flame supporters of the former President and all he stood for, it does feel disrespectful. Interesting yet unsurprising to see name calling all going one way. 

 The restraint and respect non-democrat supporters and self-confessed neutral posters display in the face of constant hate and abuse is to be commended. It would be all too easy(and justified) to fire back with a well fitting acronym to describe these posters, so well done guys, good to see we don't stoop to their standards of debate.

 

4 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, I don't take much notice of extremists .

They are entertainers whose job it is to be outrageous and extreme and they thrive on the publicity 

Yes she's extreme but she's no entertainer, she's also elected to Congress & the U.S. representative for Georgia's 14th congressional district. Just the right candidate to run with the conspiracy theory planted by Trump. She's also not alone in her wacky beliefs, two dozen Republicans across the country in their congressional districts have engaged with the QAnon.