1 minute ago, John Drake said:

The interesting thing politically is that this cancels out the supreme court abortion ruling as far as energizing voter bases. The abortion ruling was set to bring Democrats out of the woodwork, although the Kansas decision may have mollified some. Now, with the Mar a Lago raid, I would imagine Trump supporters would crawl over broken glass to get to the polls. I'm really interested to see which of these two motivations wins out.

I don't think they are politically competing issues. Independent voters should find reason in both to vote against Trump.

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

The interesting thing politically is that this cancels out the supreme court abortion ruling as far as energizing voter bases. The abortion ruling was set to bring Democrats out of the woodwork, although the Kansas decision may have mollified some. Now, with the Mar a Lago raid, I would imagine Trump supporters would crawl over broken glass to get to the polls. I'm really interested to see which of these two motivations wins out.

Indeed. I will never again underestimate the MAGA crowd's pathological need to cut off their nose to spite their face.

1 minute ago, heybruce said:

To those insisting this investigation is political:

 

Everyone involved in the investigation is well aware of the fact that the Republicans will probably control one or both houses of Congress after the election.  When that happens this will become the most investigated investigation in history.  For that reason the people in charge will have ensured that every applicable law has been and will be followed.  This will prove to be the most bullet-proof investigation in history.

 

Of course this won't stop Trump and his hanger-ons from claiming deep-state cover-up.  I'm sure we will hear that very soon, maybe even tomorrow.

100% correct.  All i's dotted and all t's crossed.......reviewed over and over again until it is bulletproof.

Just now, Phoenix Rising said:

Indeed. I will never again underestimate the MAGA crowd's pathological need to cut off their nose to spite their face.

Politics in the US is pretty much divided along race lines now. None of this will matter to the MAGA mob. It's independents who matter most.

5 minutes ago, John Drake said:

The interesting thing politically is that this cancels out the supreme court abortion ruling as far as energizing voter bases. The abortion ruling was set to bring Democrats out of the woodwork, although the Kansas decision may have mollified some. Now, with the Mar a Lago raid, I would imagine Trump supporters would crawl over broken glass to get to the polls. I'm really interested to see which of these two motivations wins out.

"The interesting thing politically is that this cancels out the supreme court abortion ruling as far as energizing voter bases."

 

There's probably some truth to that.  But that undercuts the argument that this is a political investigation, doesn't it?

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You clearly don't understand the rules. If you don't agree with everything they say, you are a Trump loving, gun toting, white supremacist ????. 

 

Or at least that's what they label you, and then they proceed to argue against your (completely imagined) Trump loving, gun toting, white supremacist views.

 

It's standard procedure on here. This thread is an excellent example. They don't understand the concept of Neutrality. It blows their mind.

Enough of the pearl clutching pleeeeeese!.

 

You can't come on a forum, cr&pping on about the 'radical left', Antifa and 'but...... but...... Hunters laptop' and then try and plead the victim. 

 

We understand neutrality extremely well and is why you are being accused of being the complete opposite of neutral because in not one of your posts have you acknowledged that Trump tried to steal the election, has been in denial about it ever since (and is amassing a cohort of other election deniers for important government posts) and that the FBI would not be raiding his home without LOTS of probable cause. As has been pointed out to you many, many times before, he took confidential documents he wasn't suppose to take. The National Archives asked for them back but he only returned 15 boxes. They want the rest back (to include records of foreign gifts given to Trump and Pence in 2020) and he hasn't done that. As Eric Loh pointed out earlier, the willfull removal or destruction of these records maybe subjected to fines or up to 3 years of imprisonment. Individuals with possession or control of records reflecting national defense information who permit their removal, loss, or destruction are subjected to fines or imprisonment of not more than 10 years. All of this has been reported to the FBI and the FBI have done their duty in going to get them

 

Now if you were indeed neutral you would acknowledge there is at least something that needs to be investigated and the FBI are only doing the job they have been asked to do. You're not neutral hence the continuous deflections to the radical left, Antifa and Hunter Biden.

 

And now some classic pearl clutching.   

13 minutes ago, John Drake said:

The interesting thing politically is that this cancels out the supreme court abortion ruling as far as energizing voter bases. The abortion ruling was set to bring Democrats out of the woodwork, although the Kansas vote may have mollified some. Now, with the Mar a Lago raid, I would imagine Trump supporters would crawl over broken glass to get to the polls. I'm really interested to see which of these two motivations wins out.

Possibly.  Or it could be like the J6 committee hearings where moderates and independents alike were aghast by Trump's behavior.  If there is an indictment and trial, I'd imagine Trump's depravity would be revealed in even more lucid detail.  If the Republicans keep crying "political witch hunt," not sure if the sane members of society will buy it.  

Fact: Trump illegally removed, kept  (and maybe destroyed) confidential WH documents in his home.

 

Opinion: nothing to hide, nothing to fear! ????

47 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I am hoping for a FAR greater crime than some paperwork issue. It sounds as serious as an overdue library book. 

 Unless Trump has been caught comitting a very serious crime like murder, with irrefutable evidence found during this horrific raid on an ex Presidents residence there will be mayhem. 

 Wasn't Biden supposed to be uniting and healing the nation.

? Turning the FBI into political attack dogs to nail the man the dems are terrified of in a fair election is not good optics.

 

CNN are reporting that the warrant was issued in relation to classified documents being removed. Does that make it a bit more serious?

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Enough of the pearl clutching pleeeeeese!.

 

You can't come on a forum, cr&pping on about the 'radical left', Antifa and 'but...... but...... Hunters laptop' and then try and plead the victim. 

 

We understand neutrality extremely well and is why you are being accused of being the complete opposite of neutral because in not one of your posts have you acknowledged that Trump tried to steal the election, has been in denial about it ever since (and is amassing a cohort of other election deniers for important government posts) and that the FBI would not be raiding his home without LOTS of probable cause. As has been pointed out to you many, many times before, he took confidential documents he wasn't suppose to take. The National Archives asked for them back but he only returned 15 boxes. They want the rest back (to include records of foreign gifts given to Trump and Pence in 2020) and he hasn't done that. As Eric Loh pointed out earlier, the willfull removal or destruction of these records maybe subjected to fines or up to 3 years of imprisonment. Individuals with possession or control of records reflecting national defense information who permit their removal, loss, or destruction are subjected to fines or imprisonment of not more than 10 years. All of this has been reported to the FBI and the FBI have done their duty in going to get them

 

Now if you were indeed neutral you would acknowledge there is at least something that needs to be investigated and the FBI are only doing the job they have been asked to do. You're not neutral hence the continuous deflections to the radical left, Antifa and Hunter Biden.

 

And now some classic pearl clutching.   

I am not pleading the victim, in fact I enjoy a decent debate so bring it on, there will be no crying from me ????.

 

I was merely pointing out the constant straw man arguements of many on the left who constantly label people as far right, Trump supporters etc. whenever they point out the hypocrisy and double standards of the FBI going after Trump to unprecedented levels while dragging their feet when it's an investigation about Hunter/Joe Biden.

 

I am saying both should be investigated with equal vigour if there is any evidence of wrong doing. For the FBI to go after Trump like a dog with a bone, then take years doing pretty much nothing when Biden needs investigating smacks of political bias. Me pointing that out neither makes me far right, a Trump supporter or a pearl clutcher. Keep throwing those labels out though...

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

CNN are reporting that the warrant was issued in relation to classified documents being removed. Does that make it a bit more serious?

Certainly hope so!

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Well the FBI will have reviewed the seized haul from Mar a Lago many hours ago, and know whether they are heros who busted an evil ex President caught red handed comitting the crime of the century, or if it was just another hilarious wild goose chase by a discreditted political organization that is starting to look much like the KGB.

 The silence from the FBI and the MSM is becoming deafening....

Found 3 wigs perhaps

22 minutes ago, John Drake said:

The interesting thing politically is that this cancels out the supreme court abortion ruling as far as energizing voter bases. The abortion ruling was set to bring Democrats out of the woodwork, although the Kansas vote may have mollified some. Now, with the Mar a Lago raid, I would imagine Trump supporters would crawl over broken glass to get to the polls. I'm really interested to see which of these two motivations wins out.

Their pathological hatred of Trump precludes such logical thought. It may well indeed go against them at the polls. 

 

They'll just keep insulting those who disagree with them. Same thing happened with the Brexit vote, the Remainers simply called anyone who argued with them Racist, Stupid, Ignorant etc. and therefore put the nail into the coffin of their campaign and eventually lost.

 

One day they might realize that insulting people is not the most effective way to cajole them around to their way of thinking. Although I believe many are too far gone to reconsider their approach.

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Their pathological hatred of Trump precludes such logical thought. It may well indeed go against them at the polls. 

 

They'll just keep insulting those who disagree with them. Same thing happened with the Brexit vote, the Remainers simply called anyone who argued with them Racist, Stupid, Ignorant etc. and therefore put the nail into the coffin of their campaign and eventually lost.

 

One day they might realize that insulting people is not the most effective way to cajole them around to their way of thinking. Although I believe many are too far gone to reconsider their approach.

Yes but they are perfect

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I am not pleading the victim, in fact I enjoy a decent debate so bring it on, there will be no crying from me ????.

 

I was merely pointing out the constant straw man arguements of many on the left who constantly label people as far right, Trump supporters etc. whenever they point out the hypocrisy and double standards of the FBI going after Trump to unprecedented levels while dragging their feet when it's an investigation about Hunter/Joe Biden.

 

I am saying both should be investigated with equal vigour if there is any evidence of wrong doing. For the FBI to go after Trump like a dog with a bone, then take years doing pretty much nothing when Biden needs investigating smacks of political bias. Me pointing that out neither makes me far right, a Trump supporter or a pearl clutcher. Keep throwing those labels out though...

Which hypocrisy and double standards? Biden has been investigated by a GOP Senate Committee and they found nothing. An investigation has been launched by Barr and it has not been hindered by Joe. Same for the Durham investigation:  not halted by Biden.

Additionally  Trump can thank Comey for diffusing information about zHillary's emails right before elections.

 

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I am not pleading the victim, in fact I enjoy a decent debate so bring it on, there will be no crying from me ????.

 

I was merely pointing out the constant straw man arguements of many on the left who constantly label people as far right, Trump supporters etc. whenever they point out the hypocrisy and double standards of the FBI going after Trump to unprecedented levels while dragging their feet when it's an investigation about Hunter/Joe Biden.

 

I am saying both should be investigated with equal vigour if there is any evidence of wrong doing. For the FBI to go after Trump like a dog with a bone, then take years doing pretty much nothing when Biden needs investigating smacks of political bias. Me pointing that out neither makes me far right, a Trump supporter or a pearl clutcher. Keep throwing those labels out though...

This is the first time you have said Trump should be investigated for this matter so it's good to see you are coming round to what is the right thing to do. 

 

And by the way, not a single person has labelled you as far right but you are being labelled as a Trump supporter as only Trump supporters have the audacity to defend this man as much as they do.

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

With all the comments here about Hunter Biden I have a good idea.

Put Trump and Biden together in a small cell and let them enjoy each other.

And maybe install a couple of big brother cameras.

Win/win/win for everybody. ???? 

Sick

12 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I am saying both should be investigated with equal vigour if there is any evidence of wrong doing. For the FBI to go after Trump like a dog with a bone, then take years doing pretty much nothing when Biden needs investigating smacks of political bias. Me pointing that out neither makes me far right, a Trump supporter or a pearl clutcher. Keep throwing those labels out though...

Hardly going after him like a dog with a bone. The National Archives sent their report on the boxes of classified documents that Trump took to Mar-a-Lago in Feb 2021 to the Justice Dept, a year and a half later the FBI raid it.

19 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Their pathological hatred of Trump precludes such logical thought. It may well indeed go against them at the polls. 

 

They'll just keep insulting those who disagree with them. Same thing happened with the Brexit vote, the Remainers simply called anyone who argued with them Racist, Stupid, Ignorant etc. and therefore put the nail into the coffin of their campaign and eventually lost.

 

One day they might realize that insulting people is not the most effective way to cajole them around to their way of thinking. Although I believe many are too far gone to reconsider their approach.

And perhaps a failure to spot the big winner in all this. Perhaps.  That would be Ron DeSantis who just might get Trump cleared out of his path to the nomination by this investigation and/or any resulting indictment. He gets Trump moved out of the way and simultaneously inherits a super energized base. All this goes to show, btw, just what a lazy incompetent man Trump really was. Too lazy to supervise these 15 boxes and their remnants, which apparently were not returned. Too lazy in his appointments of Wray, Milley, and even some unsteady Supreme Court justices. Trump is just a bad executive. DeSantis does not seem to share any of his weaknesses.

6 minutes ago, John Drake said:

And perhaps a failure to spot the big winner in all this. Perhaps.  That would be Ron DeSantis who just might get Trump cleared out of his path to the nomination by this investigation and/or any resulting indictment. He gets Trump moved out of the way and simultaneously inherits a super energized base. All this goes to show, btw, just what a lazy incompetent man Trump really was. Too lazy to supervise these 15 boxes and their remnants, which apparently were not returned. Too lazy in his appointments of Wray, Milley, and even some unsteady Supreme Court justices. Trump is just a bad executive. DeSantis does not seem to share any of his weaknesses.

Trump was never going to get any serving General to go along with his plans. Or any career professional for that matter. Oh wait, there was Kelly who was in the pocket of US foes.

22 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Sick

So you like it? ???? 

2 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Economy is bad now

That is not what the latest jobs report shows.

29 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I was merely pointing out the constant straw man arguements of many on the left who constantly label people as far right, Trump supporters etc. whenever they point out the hypocrisy and double standards of the FBI going after Trump to unprecedented levels while dragging their feet when it's an investigation about Hunter/Joe Biden.

Come on man, AG Barr and FBI director Wray were appointed by Trump and couldn't find anything on the tax issues and potential foreign influence during Trump's tenure. Biden administration has even permitted Trump's appointee US attorney for Delaware, David Weiss, to stay on to complete the probe of Hunter. Wray was investigated by the Senate Judiciary Committee and grilled hard by John Kennedy and Chuck Grassely as Senate Judiciary Chair. Wray reply was that the allegation of partisan investigation and efforts to suppress information in the investigation were "deeply troubling". You are still making a poor case with your allegations. 

Defund the FBI! Apparently the White House was unaware that the FBI raided Trump until he reported it himself.

 

Republicans rail against the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago, calling for the FBI to be destroyed and defunded.

 

The far-right faction of the Republican party is up in arms about the Federal Bureau of Investigation's search of Mar-a-Lago, calling for the agency to be defunded and destroyed. 

Trump ally and Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene was one of the first to tweet her disapproval of the search, posting on Twitter: "DEFUND THE FBI!"

 

Colorado lawmaker Lauren Boebert tweeted that she wanted the GOP to "set up a Select Committee to investigate the FBI's politically-motivated raid on Mar-a-Lago and on ALL the fraudulent persecution of President Trump from our government."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/live-fbi-search-warrant-donald-trump-mar-a-lago-2022-8#republicans-rail-against-the-fbi-search-of-mar-a-lago-calling-for-the-fbi-to-be-destroyed-and-defunded

Apart from a little fear that this will lead to the end of the world I would somehow like to see what will happen if Americans vote for Trump another time.

Will they then change the constitution so that he can stay forever?

Will they also change the laws to that the president has absolute power?

To what new extremes will he rise? I am sure it will be worse than any of us can imagine.

 

And last but not least: Will at any time in this process the big majority of Americans wake up and decide enough is enough? Or will they continue to support him until the bitter end?

 

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Right. The prospect of Joe coming back for another four years is terrifying, for sure. 

Could you please try to be a bit more creative when composing a biting retort? That type of comeback was stale when Nixon was president.

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Americans vote for Trump another time.

Will they then change the constitution so that he can stay forever?

Will they also change the laws to that the president has absolute power?

To what new extremes will he rise? I am sure it will be worse than any of us can imagine.

One person cant do that

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Defund the FBI!

 

Republicans rail against the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago, calling for the FBI to be destroyed and defunded.

 

The far-right faction of the Republican party is up in arms about the Federal Bureau of Investigation's search of Mar-a-Lago, calling for the agency to be defunded and destroyed. 

Trump ally and Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene was one of the first to tweet her disapproval of the search, posting on Twitter: "DEFUND THE FBI!"

 

Colorado lawmaker Lauren Boebert tweeted that she wanted the GOP to "set up a Select Committee to investigate the FBI's politically-motivated raid on Mar-a-Lago and on ALL the fraudulent persecution of President Trump from our government."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/live-fbi-search-warrant-donald-trump-mar-a-lago-2022-8#republicans-rail-against-the-fbi-search-of-mar-a-lago-calling-for-the-fbi-to-be-destroyed-and-defunded

Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene ???? not just the far right faction but the QAnon conspiracy theory witch that also sided with Alex Jones.

Drain that swamp. I'll never get tired of all this winning.

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Could you please try to be a bit more creative when composing a biting retort? That type of comeback was stale when Nixon was president.

That begs the question, was that raid also politically motivated?

 

Just now, Sparktrader said:

One person cant do that

As it stands, he could go to war without congress approval. Biden has said he wants to remove that ability but Schumer hasn't yet brought a vote to the floor.