Thailand tipped to be removed from UK’s ‘red list’

[Knocker33]

6 hours ago, david555 said:

Does that mean  a British national can be refused access to his country ....., just like the Australians do ?????

No they can return but have to quarantine. Not as bad as Nannystralia

[wensiensheng]

6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

British people going to the U.K are not required to have any vaccinations against Covid 

Because they aren’t “visitors”, they are british.

[Swampy999]

Strange how Thailand's figures have dropped since being on the UK red list, another dodgy calculator maybe?

[wensiensheng]

4 hours ago, robiw said:

Depends who you listen to, 

 

Tim White, the Covid data analyst who tweets as @TWMCLtd, has given his expertise to The Independent.

 

Fourteen nations, says Mr White, are likely to remain on red: Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Egypt, French Guiana, Montenegro, Philippines, Seychelles, Suriname, Thailand, Trinidad & Tobago, Tunisia.

 

“Thailand submitted very little data. Given the fear over mutant strains and Beta in particular, I think Thailand will stay red until it can do more genomic sequencing.” 

 

I guess you can pull wool over some peoples eyes but.................

 

Yes, once again Thailand seems fixated on case numbers as the be all and end all. The UK is pretty used to high case numbers, they live with them everyday, mutations is what they are more worried about I think. The genomic thing is a big factor I believe.

[anchadian]

Fourteen nations, said Mr White, are likely to remain on red: Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Egypt, French Guiana, Montenegro, Philippines, Seychelles, Suriname, Thailand, Trinidad & Tobago, Tunisia.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/travel-news-live-green-list-update-b1919628.html

[crazykopite]

I will be surprised if the U.K. does a quick u turn Thailand only went on the red list 3 weeks ago maybe it’s wishful thinking

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Fourteen nations, said Mr White, are likely to remain on red: Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Egypt, French Guiana, Montenegro, Philippines, Seychelles, Suriname, Thailand, Trinidad & Tobago, Tunisia.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/travel-news-live-green-list-update-b1919628.html

Oh heavens no, that just ruins TATS plans for those 6 million British touriststo arrive before Hi-Season ends.

[geisha]

6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

If Thailand reverts to Amber, Brits will still have to self quarantine , rather than staying in a quarantine  hotel

No, if you are British from an Amber list country ( me) you have to pre order and pay a second day test which you will do at home, and then put in a Royal Mail red sticker mail box. List of boxes online at Royal mail.com

second day, means the second day after arrival in UK. When ordering your test online, they send you a certificate which you need to enter UK.  They send the test to the address you put on the forms, it’s all explained on gouv. You do not have to quarantine at all.

[allanos]

The article by Web "fact" is an exercise in wishful thinking, in my opinion.

 

A couple of "hopefully's" thrown out do not make for any degree of realism.

 

Britain will need to keep a red traffic light going rather indefinitely, I feel,

as there are a number of variables which will constantly be under review as

to how well a "red" country is reacting to, containing and controlling, the pandemic. 

Not least of these will be the possibility of previously-unknown mutations or variants

taking hold there. Britain is not about to risk another Delta-style variant running

rampant, almost certainly.

 

South Africa is lobbying like crazy to be removed from the red list. It is probably also an exercise in wishful thinking as there are simply not enough citizens taking up the request that they inoculate against covid-19.

 

The Brits are (rightfully) proud of what they have finally been able to achieve.

The fact that a number of their citizens who reside in another country cannot

return to their homeland without incurring significant additional costs upon 

arrival is the least of Britain's concerns . 

Edited September 14, 2021 by allanos
typo

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, geisha said:

No, if you are British from an Amber list country ( me) you have to pre order and pay a second day test which you will do at home, and then put in a Royal Mail red sticker mail box. List of boxes online at Royal mail.com

second day, means the second day after arrival in UK. When ordering your test online, they send you a certificate which you need to enter UK.  They send the test to the address you put on the forms, it’s all explained on gouv. You do not have to quarantine at all.

That is if you have been fully vaccinated by a U.K approved vaccine . 

  Those who haven't been fully vaccinated by a U.K approved source will have to do ten days self quarantine 

[hotchilli]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

This should hopefully mean that people travelling to the UK from Thailand will not be required to undergo mandatory 14 day hotel quarantine, which currently costs approximately £2,000 per person. 

But in Phuket where international tourists have to start their sentence, the infections are climbing daily?

[GroveHillWanderer]

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Most people who contract the virus do not show any symptoms and it doesn't effect them at all

That's not accurate - only a minority of cases are asymptomatic. A fairly sizeable minority, but still a minority.

 

While earlier estimates varied widely, from 4% all the way up to 81%, the latest figures I could find (as of August 13) put it at not much more than a third.

 

Quote

Now an analysis by a group of US medical researchers on more than 350 studies has found just over 35 percent of all COVID-19 infections don't proceed to a symptomatic phase.

Massive New Analysis Confirms Just How Many COVID-19 Cases Are Truly Asymptomatic

[vandeventer]

7 hours ago, Gandtee said:

Yeah. OK. I believe you. What isn't mentioned is the UK not accepting visitors vaccinated with certain make of vaccines..

You mean like the Sinovac and the Thai AZ? I wonder how many countries will?

[Mr Meeseeks]

34 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Fourteen nations, said Mr White, are likely to remain on red: Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Egypt, French Guiana, Montenegro, Philippines, Seychelles, Suriname, Thailand, Trinidad & Tobago, Tunisia.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/travel-news-live-green-list-update-b1919628.html

Oh well. They will need to reduce testing even more now. Can't stop those pesky walk-ins tho'.

[jasonr3255]

Another baseless story from webfact. more probable is that Thailand is to remain on red list until traffic light system is shelved according to UK news sources.  ????
 

[MaiChai]

I would be surprised if the UK removes Thailand from the red list after having just put Thailand on the red list. Its more likely that Thailand will remain on the red list for some time. Dubai remained on the red list for 7 months (UAE) and those middle eastern countries have plenty of money to spend on vaccines. I was surprised that Thailand went on the red list but maybe they don't want Brits coming to Thailand on holiday, getting covid, and then returning with a new varient?

Edited September 14, 2021 by MaiChai

[kimamey]

7 hours ago, bartender100 said:

This summer in the England has been wonderful after 18 months of restrictions.

 

No masks, no social distancing, holiday by the beach, pub and nightclubs packed as were festivals and football grounds. Yes, lots of infections, but deaths on the whole low. I know many people young and old that got it, some back at work in 10 days clear. Vaccines are working.

 

Thanks, Boris, for giving us a freedom summer, when it would have been easy to go the Australian route

 

Ok we can't travel abroad much, but I can live with that for now

 

 

There are still some shops venues and transport that require masks which is fine by me. It would probably be easier if it were still a legal requirement in those cases except for those exempt to save confusion. If it enables businesses to open up and a return to some sort of normality plus protecting those who are vulnerable then I would say it's worth it. I still use a mask in shops ect as it's not a big sacrifice and as you say it's a lot better now that more has opened up.

 

Let's hope it lasts

[kimamey]

7 hours ago, Gandtee said:

My Thai niece contracted covid. She had been twice vaccinated. After her husband got it she was tested positive, but suffered no symptoms. My wife maintains it was because of the Thai herbs she had been taking, but I go along with the effectiveness of the vaccines. Who knows.

Yes I get the Thai Herbs speech sometimes. I usually ask how the rest of the world manages to live so well. Particularly those countries where people live longer than in Thailand. There's never a reply.  ????

[ukrules]

8 hours ago, david555 said:

Does that mean  a British national can be refused access to his country ....., just like the Australians do ?????

Not a chance, you just have to sit in the hotel for a while.

[Surasak]

8 hours ago, david555 said:

Does that mean  a British national can be refused access to his country ....., just like the Australians do ?????

No. It means you will have to spend 10 days in an AQH @£2450.00 I believe the cost to be.

Cheap at twice the price after having your nose probed on at least three occasions.????

[khunjeff]

45 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is if you have been fully vaccinated by a U.K approved vaccine . 

  Those who haven't been fully vaccinated by a U.K approved source will have to do ten days self quarantine 

It isn't a question of getting "a U.K approved vaccine", but of being vaccinated under an "approved programme":

 

"You must have been fully vaccinated under one of the following programmes:

 

- UK vaccination programme, approved by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA)

 

- UK vaccine programme overseas, approved by the MHRA

 

- an approved vaccination programme in Europe or the USA – not all are recognised in England"

 

If you are traveling from an amber country but were inoculated in Thailand, you currently aren't considered "fully vaccinated", even if you received a double dose of Pfizer or of Europe-produced AZ, and you are required to isolate at home for ten days.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england

[Aussie999]

A "tip," but where did this "tip" come from?"

[RobU]

Probably the best indicator that Thailand's vaccine programme is working

[jake47]

8 hours ago, bartender100 said:

This summer in the England has been wonderful after 18 months of restrictions.

 

No masks, no social distancing, holiday by the beach, pub and nightclubs packed as were festivals and football grounds. Yes, lots of infections, but deaths on the whole low. I know many people young and old that got it, some back at work in 10 days clear. Vaccines are working.

 

Thanks, Boris, for giving us a freedom summer, when it would have been easy to go the Australian route

 

Ok we can't travel abroad much, but I can live with that for now

 

 

Spot on bartender as someone who has a son living in Thailand its been so hard for him and his girlfriend to stay safe and get vaccinated ,and has been a worry for us all.The uk,s vaccine take up is now 89.1 percent 1 dose and 81 percent 2 doses this has been the deal changer and thank good-nice for Boris and the government to have the foresight to order vaccines early and have the fantastic NHS distribute  them.Hopefully Thailand will get a move on and vaccinate more people quicker (its the only way through the mire) and we can visit our son and such a fantastic country .

[Joinaman]

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do think that that is incorrect . 

Certain vaccines are accepted and other ones are not , it doesnt matter the location of where you had the vaccination done , but even so, its a moot point because vaccinations are not required for Brits when entering the U.K 

vaccinations not required, but if not vaccinated, then 14 days quarantine, at around 100,000 baht ?

 

 

[Joinaman]

28 minutes ago, khunjeff said:

It isn't a question of getting "a U.K approved vaccine", but of being vaccinated under an "approved programme":

 

"You must have been fully vaccinated under one of the following programmes:

 

- UK vaccination programme, approved by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA)

 

- UK vaccine programme overseas, approved by the MHRA

 

- an approved vaccination programme in Europe or the USA – not all are recognised in England"

 

If you are traveling from an amber country but were inoculated in Thailand, you currently aren't considered "fully vaccinated", even if you received a double dose of Pfizer or of Europe-produced AZ, and you are required to isolate at home for ten days.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/how-to-quarantine-when-you-arrive-in-england

what if you stopover for 10 day holiday on the way to the UK ?

And not have any vaccinations ?

no quarantine ?

[Snig27]

7 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

Another reason why the numbers here are being 'Engineered' to be lower every day; gotta get off these Red Listings and also got to show we can open to allcomers on 1st October as the Big Pumpkin said we would !

You clearly have a decent amount of solid evidence at hand to substantiate this - and not just your barroom theories - documents etc. It's quite a conspiracy that would involve a large number of people. Maybe forward it to one of the independent news sources out there. They'd be keen to see it. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Joinaman said:

what if you stopover for 10 day holiday on the way to the UK ?

And not have any vaccinations ?

no quarantine ?

Where could you stop for a ten day holiday ?

Every Country either requires you to be fully vaccinated or to also do a ten day quarantine in their Country as well 

[Kadilo]

2 minutes ago, Snig27 said:

You clearly have a decent amount of solid evidence at hand to substantiate this - and not just your barroom theories - documents etc. It's quite a conspiracy that would involve a large number of people. Maybe forward it to one of the independent news sources out there. They'd be keen to see it. 

Just another armchair conspiracy theorist 
 

I am surprised the government hasn't enlisted a panel of foreign experts to advice their committee on Covid policy. They are missing out on such a vital source of knowledge. 

[Joinaman]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Where could you stop for a ten day holiday ?

Every Country either requires you to be fully vaccinated or to also do a ten day quarantine in their Country as well 

Dubai ?

Canary islands only require one dose to allow entry ?