Jury finds Donald Trump sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in civil case

[Tug]

31 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Joe looks like a young fit and confident Indiana and his Last Crusade, to save the US from the evil Nazi dictator.

Meanwhile Trump back at Mar-a-Lago...
 

 

Yup!theres a lot of stuff on u tube that’s really good some of the music is off the charts imo orange faced man comes to mind to the tune of red hand really scary imo then a wonderful rendition of the people of Norway to the song of Roland well worth the listen imo 

[EVENKEEL]

Is this what World News has become? C'mon, the powers that be could do much better I'm sure. Some of these threads are almost a year old.

[Danderman123]

13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Is this what World News has become? C'mon, the powers that be could do much better I'm sure. Some of these threads are almost a year old.

Reality is going to be sad for you in 2024.

 

More of your January 6 insurrectionist friends are going to jail.

 

More evidence of Trump criming will be revealed.

 

The polls will show a decay in Trump support.

 

It's going to be a tough year for you.

[Chomper Higgot]

Trump’s attorney Joe Tacopina has quit.

 

He hasn’t made a public statement as to why, my bets, unpaid invoices, or a client asking him to humiliate himself in court, perhaps both.

 

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-joe-tacopina-attorney-quits-b2479083.html#

[LosLobo]

28 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Is this what World News has become? C'mon, the powers that be could do much better I'm sure. Some of these threads are almost a year old.

Perhaps if rapist Trump stopped defaming his victim this case and thread could be closed.
 

Then you could provide a more focused support of Trump in his other litany of crimes against society.

[EVENKEEL]

43 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Reality is going to be sad for you in 2024.

 

More of your January 6 insurrectionist friends are going to jail.

 

More evidence of Trump criming will be revealed.

 

The polls will show a decay in Trump support.

 

It's going to be a tough year for you.

The point of my post is new news is rarely started. Posters are forced to go to the old and tired threads to retroll.

 

Tough year for me? How do you figure, I got lots of money, live a stone throw from the beach. I'm golden.

[ozimoron]

22 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The point of my post is new news is rarely started. Posters are forced to go to the old and tired threads to retroll.

 

Tough year for me? How do you figure, I got lots of money, live a stone throw from the beach. I'm golden.

 

The case isn't over, why should this thread be done?

[EVENKEEL]

13 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

The case isn't over, why should this thread be done?

My point is that "new" news articles are out there about this very incident and many others that are ignored by this forum.

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

My point is that "new" news articles are out there about this very incident and many others that are ignored by this forum.

Why don't you link to these "new" news articles? 

[EVENKEEL]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why don't you link to these "new" news articles? 

Not my job. Up to the forum bosses.

[placeholder]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Not my job. Up to the forum bosses.

Nonsense. There's even a real stipulating that links be provided to back up assertions of fact. What's stopping you from posting evidence backed up with a link?

[impulse]

46 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why don't you link to these "new" news articles? 

 

'Cause those links usually get taken down.  Not "approved sources".  And the MSM is mostly posting crickets. 

 

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Nonsense. There's even a real stipulating that links be provided to back up assertions of fact. What's stopping you from posting evidence backed up with a link?

You're absolutely correct except this jean thing holds no interest for me. Searching through months upon months of old threads to find what might spark an interest is mind numbingly stupid. My point is the forum bosses are lazy.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

The point of my post is new news is rarely started. Posters are forced to go to the old and tired threads to retroll.

 

Tough year for me? How do you figure, I got lots of money, live a stone throw from the beach. I'm golden.

 

So life ain't too bad with Biden in the WH, then?

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

'Cause those links usually get taken down.  Not "approved sources".  And the MSM is mostly posting crickets. 

 

 

 

Exactly. What you call "news" a rational observer would label fiction.

[bendejo]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump’s attorney Joe Tacopina has quit.

 

He brought some entertainment to the MAGA mishigas. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-lawyer-tries-grab-papers-from-msnbc-host-heated-exchange-2023-3?op=1

DT is an entertainer, his job is to entertain and the telly ratings are part of his psyche.  DT's life is a reality show, and all the other characters who come and go, whether employees, supporters, adversaries, etc are his foils.  Something like Fawlty Towers in style.

 

 

 

[mohlite]

On 1/16/2024 at 12:35 AM, LosLobo said:

Perhaps if rapist Trump stopped defaming his victim this case and thread could be closed.
 

Then you could provide a more focused support of Trump in his other litany of crimes against society.

Trump's a "rapist"?

 

Has he been charged and convicted of "rape" in a court of law or in your court of make-belief?

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, mohlite said:

Trump's a "rapist"?

 

Has he been charged and convicted of "rape" in a court of law or in your court of make-belief?

Here's what happened. Bad enough for regular people. Extra disgusting for a man who insists on taking dictatorial power. 

 

Quote

 

"The most precise way to say it would be something like, 'The jury found by a preponderance of the evidence that Mr. Trump sexually abused Ms. Carroll and therefore was liable for battery.'"

 

Fact Check: Was Donald Trump Found Guilty of Rape? (newsweek.com)

[LosLobo]

3 hours ago, mohlite said:

Trump's a "rapist"?

 

Has he been charged and convicted of "rape" in a court of law or in your court of make-belief?

Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll.

 

'The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

 

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”'

 

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll - The Washington Post (archive.md)

[mohlite]

5 hours ago, LosLobo said:

Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll.

 

'The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

 

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”'

 

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll - The Washington Post (archive.md)

You would be wrong. The court found Trump liable for sexual battery which did not include rape as defined by the statute in civil trials. The "preponderance" of evidence was not even sufficient for a finding of rape in a civil trial much less so for a finding of guilt "beyond a shadow of a doubt" in a criminal proceeding which was barred by statute of limitations.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-donald-trump-found-guilty-rape-1799935

 

No case here but a book grab grift nuisance complaint and since Carrol has admitted to destroying evidence yesterday this case will be tossed on appeal and the ruling judge should be cited. This is another sham attempted take down of Trump. The complainant is a definite lunatic. Probably why she claims rape is sexy and she named her cat vagina. Nut job extraordinaire.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/766067/anderson-cooper-cuts-to-commercial-after-trump-accuser-e-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy/

 

NY state changed statutes to allow for this civil suit to occur and this "complainants" legal fees were paid by a trump hater

 

See the attached, first page of the jury verdict form which should put the matter to rest

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23808620-jury-verdict-form-from-the-e-jean-carroll-defamation-trial

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/09/jury-verdict-form-e-jean-carroll-defamation-trial-00096059

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 19 by mohlite

[mohlite]

On 1/16/2024 at 12:15 AM, Danderman123 said:

The polls will show a decay in Trump support.

Which polls would be showing decay in Trump support? The tooth decay poll??

 

Can you post some decaying Trump polls and throw a few in for Biden too, so we can see the evidence of your obvious attempt at mis/disinformation. If anything Biden is losing in all recent polls and getting worse at time moves forward. Where are you sourcing your data and lies from, the bar stool team of political fanatics?

[Yellowtail]

Forty years ago, case funded and promoted by rich leftist. 

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, mohlite said:

You would be wrong. The court found Trump liable for sexual battery which did not include rape as defined by the statute in civil trials. The "preponderance" of evidence was not even sufficient for a finding of rape in a civil trial much less so for a finding of guilt "beyond a shadow of a doubt" in a criminal proceeding which was barred by statute of limitations.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-was-donald-trump-found-guilty-rape-1799935

 

No case here but a book grab grift nuisance complaint and since Carrol has admitted to destroying evidence yesterday this case will be tossed on appeal and the ruling judge should be cited. This is another sham attempted take down of Trump. The complainant is a definite lunatic. Probably why she claims rape is sexy and she named her cat vagina. Nut job extraordinaire.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/766067/anderson-cooper-cuts-to-commercial-after-trump-accuser-e-jean-carroll-calls-rape-sexy/

 

NY state changed statutes to allow for this civil suit to occur and this "complainants" legal fees were paid by a trump hater

 

See the attached, first page of the jury verdict form which should put the matter to rest

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23808620-jury-verdict-form-from-the-e-jean-carroll-defamation-trial

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/09/jury-verdict-form-e-jean-carroll-defamation-trial-00096059

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong?

I am only repeating the words of the judge Kaplan who wrote 'Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape'.'
 

If he did not say that please provide evidence.

You are only squabbling over semantics here, we all know what Trump did.

 

Edited January 19 by LosLobo

[mohlite]

10 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

 

Squabbling you say, was the jury just "squabbling" when they decided (based on preponderance of evidence)  to return a verdict concluding that no rape occurred. In a criminal trial preponderance (much lower standard) is not material and evidence must meet or exceed "beyond a reasonable doubt", this case lacked any predicate and chance in criminal court. The civil jury ruled no rape occurred, to state otherwise is merely refusal to accept the findings. The judge, you, anyone can say what they want but it does not make it so and in the ej carrol case the jury has the final say and they said the evidence does not support a finding of rape. This should be "case closed" or do wish to continue to beat your head on a birch tree based on your notion of trying to tarnish a person with  the word rape  when the jury says otherwise?

Edited January 19 by mohlite

[Berkshire]

Since Trump is so keen on having nicknames for others, how about this one for him:  Donald Rapist Trump.  Has a ring to it....55555.

 

[Donald Trump loves to give people nicknames.

From Crooked Hillary to Lyin’ Ted Cruz to Horseface Stormy Daniels; from Little Rocket Man Kim Jong Un to Low Energy Jeb to Pocahontas; from the Failing New York Times to Little Marco Rubio to Crazy Joe Biden, Trump has never been shy about attaching vicious and controversial sobriquets to his perceived enemies’ identities.

Trump’s opponents have struggled to fight back. They briefly tried Cadet Bone Spurs, Traitor Trump, and The Former Guy, but none of those stuck.

I have a new, and perhaps more powerful, suggestion: How about “Donald Rapist Trump”?]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/is-the-nickname-donald-rapist-trump-defamatory/ar-AA1ncWu2?cvid=6d66ef9a67df4f7fa88fdaddbbda3a8b&ei=15

[jerrymahoney]

22 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I am only repeating the words of the judge Kaplan who wrote 'Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape'.'

But apparently not Ms. Carroll herself   May 11, 2023:

 

Ms. Carroll, in the interview, blamed herself for their decision to find Mr. Trump liable for sexually abusing her but not for rape.

 

“I didn’t make myself clear when I was testifying,” Ms. Carroll said.

 

Under New York law, according to Ms. Carroll’s lawyer, Ms. Kaplan, penetration by the penis must occur for there to be a rape. Ms. Carroll had testified that after Mr. Trump led her into the Bergdorf’s lingerie department and into a dressing room, he shoved her against a wall and inserted his fingers and then his penis into her vagina.

 

“I couldn’t see anything that was happening,” Ms. Carroll had told the jury. “But I could certainly feel it. I could certainly feel that pain in the finger jamming up.”

 

In the interview Thursday, Ms. Carroll noted that she had twice been married, and she said, “I know what a penis feels like, and he did insert his penis.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/11/nyregion/e-jean-carroll-trump-defamation.html

 

 

[mohlite]

28 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

You are only squabbling over semantics here, we all know what Trump did

What do you know besides what you think are facts that the jury made the finding and ruled no rape occurred? Were you in some way involved in this trial and know something unique to the material facts in the civil trial that have not been published or otherwise available in an online search? I only know and can state what the jury findings are as documented in the jury verdict I attached previously. Where are your supporting docs proving your "We all know what Trump did" theory rant? You seem to think your are the information-knowledge guru that knows "something" about Trump that only you know which you should post here with some evidence to verify "what you think you know" but are unable to prove. Wish to share it here? 

Edited January 19 by mohlite

[LosLobo]

3 hours ago, mohlite said:

Squabbling you say, was the jury just "squabbling" when they decided (based on preponderance of evidence)  to return a verdict concluding that no rape occurred. In a criminal trial preponderance (much lower standard) is not material and evidence must meet or exceed "beyond a reasonable doubt", this case lacked any predicate and chance in criminal court. The civil jury ruled no rape occurred, to state otherwise is merely refusal to accept the findings. The judge, you, anyone can say what they want but it does not make it so and in the ej carrol case the jury has the final say and they said the evidence does not support a finding of rape. This should be "case closed" or do wish to continue to beat your head on a birch tree based on your notion of trying to tarnish a person with  the word rape  when the jury says otherwise?

Judge Kaplan’s statement that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape', was made in context.

He was not making a legal finding of guilt for the crime of rape.

 

As for your assertion that ‘the jury has the final say’, this is an oversimplification.

In the U.S. legal system, judges often play a significant role in interpreting and applying the law and jury verdicts can be appealed.

I agree it should be 'case closed' but Trump continues to beat his 'head on a birch tree' with his appeals and further defames his victim.
 

It seems you might be committing the ‘straw man’ fallacy, by misrepresenting my argument as trying to ‘tarnish a person with the word rape when the jury says otherwise’.

My point was about the context and interpretation of Judge Kaplan’s statement, not about the jury’s verdict in the case.

Also, 91 times indicted criminal defendant, and proven fraudster Trump seems to be able to tarnish his own image unaided which is evident by his previous court cases involving sexual assault.

Summer Zervos vs Trump: Zervos, a former contestant on The Apprentice, sued Trump for defamation in 2017, after he denied her claim that he groped and kissed her without consent in 2007. She later withdrew the case.

Jane Doe vs Trump and Jeffrey Epstein: Doe, a pseudonym for an anonymous woman, filed a lawsuit in 2016, accusing Trump and Epstein of raping her when she was 13 years old in 1994. She withdrew the lawsuit a few days before the 2016 election, citing threats to her safety.

Ivana Trump vs Trump: Ivana, Trump’s first wife, alleged in a divorce deposition in 1990 that Trump had raped her in 1989. She later recanted the allegation and said it was not meant in a literal or criminal sense. She also signed a statement in 2015, saying that she and Trump had a great relationship and that he was not a rapist.

 

Summer Zervos: Ex-Apprentice drops lawsuit against Trump - BBC News
Donald Trump’s Child-Rape Accuser Drops Lawsuit After Receiving Threats (yahoo.com)
Donald Trump's ex-wife's claim he 'raped' her resurfaces in new documentary | The Independent | The Independent

 

Edited January 19 by LosLobo

[Amethyst]

A series of off-topic posts having nothing to do with the legal cases against Donald Trump have been removed.

 

[Danderman123]

6 hours ago, mohlite said:

Squabbling you say, was the jury just "squabbling" when they decided (based on preponderance of evidence)  to return a verdict concluding that no rape occurred. In a criminal trial preponderance (much lower standard) is not material and evidence must meet or exceed "beyond a reasonable doubt", this case lacked any predicate and chance in criminal court. The civil jury ruled no rape occurred, to state otherwise is merely refusal to accept the findings. The judge, you, anyone can say what they want but it does not make it so and in the ej carrol case the jury has the final say and they said the evidence does not support a finding of rape. This should be "case closed" or do wish to continue to beat your head on a birch tree based on your notion of trying to tarnish a person with  the word rape  when the jury says otherwise?

You are misinformed.

 

You are confusing the popular definition of rape with the legal definition.

 

But you are missing the forest for the trees: Your Orange Jesus sexually assaulted this woman, no matter how you define it.

 

How you support this loser, I have no idea.