Thailand reports record high of 75 Covid-19 deaths, 7,058 new cases

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32 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I know there is disagreeance on this forum but I would really like to hear from any who disagrees with this. A definite must read.

The problem with this kind of thinking is that it doesn't and can't openly address the main reason behind Thailand's dismal vaccination record. Prayut is not the most blameworthy person.

[brewsterbudgen]

Thought-provoking article in today's BP by Chartchai Parasuk ('Time to accept we can't beat Covid-19'), which I guess cannot be linked to, or quoted here.  Maybe someone more computer literate than me can find a way of posting it here, without breaking the rules.

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

I do. Now before you scream, hear me out.

 

Government is not one person. It's a group of them, with 100s of advisors. Removing one person is not going to all of a sudden change direction of the country.

 

The other part is that Thailand has gone seriously down the drain from anything between not very clever to outright id!otic decisions made in the recent months (and to a point, years). This means that salvaging the situation now by anyone will not be an easy task. In fact, he or she might not be able to do pretty much anything to turn the tide.

You also don't know what financial situation Thailand is in. My guess is: not very good one. A job of politician is not only on health but also economy. Hence whoever replaced him might be stuck in the same sticky situation current government is in.

 

Imagine yourself being assigned to get Thai Airways back into profitability. Yes, you can't just say what's obvious - that the past mistakes made this mission impossible - and do what's possible. But certainly this is not going to be an easy, rather probably impossible task.

 

Hence in summary - the time to hand the wheel has long passed and should not only cover one person. Whoever takes over now will find it hard to show any progress for a long time. In the meantime, things are only going to get worse, no matter who is in charge.

Cut off the head off the snake and see how many other heads will roll. As I have stated many times he was the one who said he would take full responsibility and he was the one who said some risks are necessary. We are where we are because of him. Sorry but the buck stops at the top. He is basically a dead man walking. My fear is he will put the uniform back on.

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2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Cut off the head off the snake and see how many other heads will roll. As I have stated many times he was the one who said he would take full responsibility and he was the one who said some risks are necessary. We are where we are because of him. Sorry but the buck stops at the top. He is basically a dead man walking. My fear is he will put the uniform back on.

I agree. The buck stops at the top. And I stand by what I wrote before.

[anchadian]

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Thought-provoking article in today's BP by Chartchai Parasuk ('Time to accept we can't beat Covid-19'), which I guess cannot be linked to, or quoted here.  Maybe someone more computer literate than me can find a way of posting it here, without breaking the rules.

There is no way you can post a BP article other than quoting similar wording in that report with no link of course.
 

Most BP reports are usually picked up by other news media such as 'Thaiger' and ThaiPBS.

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Just now, anchadian said:

There is no way you can post a BP article other than quoting similar wording in that report with no link of course.
 

Most BP reports are usually picked up by other news media such as 'Thaiger' and ThaiPBS.

Just do a search using the headline and add Bangkok Post.

[anchadian]

This is the queue for the Drive-thru Covid-19 testing at Bangpakok-Rangsit 2 Hospital. They can only handle 200 people per day. Today’s allotment is already full. Please try again tomorrow 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1412990247701401601

 

[Nojohndoe]

9 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

The brink was about a week ago.

It is a full blown crisis.  

I suspect and fear that what started that week ago is only a precursor of what is coming over the next month or two !

[FarFlungFalang]

13 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

I do. Now before you scream, hear me out.

 

Government is not one person. It's a group of them, with 100s of advisors. Removing one person is not going to all of a sudden change direction of the country.

 

The other part is that Thailand has gone seriously down the drain from anything between not very clever to outright id!otic decisions made in the recent months (and to a point, years). This means that salvaging the situation now by anyone will not be an easy task. In fact, he or she might not be able to do pretty much anything to turn the tide.

You also don't know what financial situation Thailand is in. My guess is: not very good one. A job of politician is not only on health but also economy. Hence whoever replaced him might be stuck in the same sticky situation current government is in.

 

Imagine yourself being assigned to get Thai Airways back into profitability. Yes, you can't just say what's obvious - that the past mistakes made this mission impossible - and do what's possible. But certainly this is not going to be an easy, rather probably impossible task.

 

Hence in summary - the time to hand the wheel has long passed and should not only cover one person. Whoever takes over now will find it hard to show any progress for a long time. In the meantime, things are only going to get worse, no matter who is in charge.

There are 250 Generals in the upper house so there is no way you can call those ruining this country a Government.Apart from that most of what you said makes sense.

[anchadian]

After the govt seemingly hails success for the #PhuketSandbox, now Surat Thani province will trial #SamuiPlus. Similar idea, but vaccinated arrivals must stay in the hotel for the first 3 days and after that can only travel on designated routes and tours.

 

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1412990194836414466

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Unfounded rumours circulating among my Thai friends and employees that Thaksin is coming back to assist with the vaccine efforts.

 

Wouldn't it be amusing if he just rocked up with a few million Pfizer or Moderna and donated them to the Thai people?

 

Certainly one way to make himself even more popular among the masses, and hasten the departure of this current regime.

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2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Glad I hoofed it to Phuket months ago...de minimus cases here.

Any way of finding out critical care bed occupancy there?

[Mr Meeseeks]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

My fear is he will put the uniform back on.

He never took it off. 

[Blumpie]

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

After the govt seemingly hails success for the #PhuketSandbox, now Surat Thani province will trial #SamuiPlus. Similar idea, but vaccinated arrivals must stay in the hotel for the first 3 days and after that can only travel on designated routes and tours.

 

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1412990194836414466

 

Not if it was free.  Heck, not even if they paid me for it. 

No.  

[Mr Meeseeks]

3 minutes ago, anchadian said:

After the govt seemingly hails success for the #PhuketSandbox, now Surat Thani province will trial #SamuiPlus. Similar idea, but vaccinated arrivals must stay in the hotel for the first 3 days and after that can only travel on designated routes and tours.

 

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1412990194836414466

 

The idiocy never stops here. Must be genetic.

[DrJack54]

13 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Thought-provoking article in today's BP by Chartchai Parasuk ('Time to accept we can't beat Covid-19'), which I guess cannot be linked to, or quoted here.  Maybe someone more computer literate than me can find a way of posting it here, without breaking the rules.

Read it. Article by freelance economist.

What would you expect. Attention seeker.

 

Reminds me of the Peter Cook Dudley Moore sketch re Cancer.

Solution "ignore it and it will go away".

 

You didn't notice reference to countries such as Singapore, UK etc that have achieved fantastic inoculation rates. 

Something that Thailand is a long way from.

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Too late here, at least before hitting 10s of thousands per day. Exponential rises only stop accelerating after strong concerted measures. Thailand is out of ammunition. Testing has maxed out, they don't have the labs or equipment, hospitals are already full, patients are lining up in the streets, and adequate vaccines are not on the horizon, even if they could tell the truth for once.  (thanks Anutin). 

I must admit that I fear for Thailand.

 

Your phrase “out of ammunition” rings true to me. A light lockdown that didn’t address the problem, has left people tired of lockdowns per se, and the virus spread now is such that only a severe countrywide lockdown until case numbers fall, would make an appreciable difference. There’s little appetite for that in government, or I sense, among the population.

 

people want vaccines and want them now. But being realistic, that won’t be the case.
 

Looking at the current vaccine program, there is 5 million AZ promised per month. More sinovac is on the way in appreciable amounts, but the problem is that even the government recognizes 2 doses of sinovac really needs an mRNA booster shot. So maybe the sinovac helps a bit in the short term, but it’s not great.
 

Appreciable amounts of mRNA vaccines have no timeline for delivery (if they have even been ordered yet) but at best is likely to be December, and even then the amounts quoted aren’t enough to cover a decent percentage of the population.

 

what does this mean?

 

It seems to me that we have 6 months of things getting worse before they get better and there is little that the government can do to shorten that 6 month period. Action was needed before and it wasn’t taken, now there is a price to pay.

 

Thailands only likely savior would be by way of donated mRNA vaccines that can arrive much sooner than December. Other than that, I see no feasible route to shorten a dark period of more and more Covid cases and deaths.

 

sorry to be pessimistic, but it’s just the way I see it now.

[Cake Monster]

1 hour ago, wensiensheng said:

Yep, for sure Phuket was required to keep cases low for sandbox purposes and took the necessary action to ensure that was the case. 
 

with the number of people testing positive on planes that fly in and out, how can there be next to no cases in the general population? It beggars belief.

Its as I said many weeks ago, Phuket was always going to open, come what may.

I would hate to be on Phuket at this moment in time as a Tourist.

Surely these people are not stupid, or ignorant, and they have access to modern Technology. They must be seeing some of these reports on Flight breeches, Infected Tourists and their treatment, Infection numbers, numbers Vaccinated Etc, and thinking to themselves " OMG what are we doing here, I cant wait for this to end ". Hardly the environment for a relaxing Holiday.

It must be squeaky Bum time for many of them right now, and they have little prospect of any onward Travel around Thailand ,or possibly even back to their own Countries, without some restrictions being placed upon them due to the rapid rise in Covid cases nationally.

 

[brewsterbudgen]

1 minute ago, wensiensheng said:

I must admit that I fear for Thailand.

 

Your phrase “out of ammunition” rings true to me. A light lockdown that didn’t address the problem, has left people tired of lockdowns per se, and the virus spread now is such that only a severe countrywide lockdown until case numbers fall, would make an appreciable difference. There’s little appetite for that in government, or I sense, among the population.

 

people want vaccines and want them now. But being realistic, that won’t be the case.
 

Looking at the current vaccine program, there is 5 million AZ promised per month. More sinovac is on the way in appreciable amounts, but the problem is that even the government recognizes 2 doses of sinovac really needs an mRNA booster shot. So maybe the sinovac helps a bit in the short term, but it’s not great.
 

Appreciable amounts of mRNA vaccines have no timeline for delivery (if they have even been ordered yet) but at best is likely to be December, and even then the amounts quoted aren’t enough to cover a decent percentage of the population.

 

what does this mean?

 

It seems to me that we have 6 months of things getting worse before they get better and there is little that the government can do to shorten that 6 month period. Action was needed before and it wasn’t taken, now there is a price to pay.

 

Thailands only likely savior would be by way of donated mRNA vaccines that can arrive much sooner than December. Other than that, I see no feasible route to shorten a dark period of more and more Covid cases and deaths.

 

sorry to be pessimistic, but it’s just the way I see it now.

I agree.  I think another 'lockdown light' might be accepted and is probably inevitable, but I think they realise a severe lockdown would not be accepted, or be workable.

[ThailandRyan]

12 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

The idiocy never stops here. Must be genetic.

Lets just add more fuel to the fire we already started, we need to burn down thw hole country and flee why we can said _________ (insert name).

[candide]

2 hours ago, retsdon said:

In today's Guardian there's a frightening report from Indonesia. And it's a sobering warning of what awaits Thailand if things are allowed to drift. The velocity that this thing has accelerated at in a short time is mind blowing. Edited to say that I tried to link to the graph in the article but couldn't.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/jul/08/covid-surge-pushes-indonesias-health-system-to-the-brink

 

 

The population of Indonesia is around four times higher than Thailand. The linked article indicates 34,739 new daily cases, to compare with 7,058 in Thailand. Actually, Thailand is now already very close to the current rate of daily infection in Indonesia.

[Cake Monster]

22 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Unfounded rumours circulating among my Thai friends and employees that Thaksin is coming back to assist with the vaccine efforts.

 

Wouldn't it be amusing if he just rocked up with a few million Pfizer or Moderna and donated them to the Thai people?

 

Certainly one way to make himself even more popular among the masses, and hasten the departure of this current regime.

The man actually offered to negotiate with Vaccine suppliers on behalf of the Government and the Thai people several weeks ago , but was dissed bythe Government.

[FarFlungFalang]

11 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

It must be squeaky Bum time for many of them right now,

Yes they may have come down with a bad case of TSS ( Twitchy Sphincter Syndrome ).

[anchadian]

PM

@prayutofficial

will reportedly consider more restrictions “similar to last year’s hard lockdown” that *could* include movement restrictions and a curfew amidst ever escalating #COVID19 infections in Friday’s

@oc_ccsa meeting.

 

UPDATE:

@thaimoph

is proposing movement restrictions, shelter-at-home and closing “non-essential” businesses to curb the escalating #COVID19 situation. The

@oc_ccsa , chaired by a quarantined-at-home PM

@prayutofficial , will make the final call as early as tomorrow

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1412999257343156224

 

BREAKING: The Ministry of Public Health are proposing a “lockdown” similar to the restrictions we had in April 2020. You may be told to #StayHome and only leave for essential reasons such as to buy food, see a doctor or get vaccinated. The CCSA will meet soon to discuss this.

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1413002155254980610

 

We only know that the proposed “lockdown” will be similar to what we had in April last year. Expect closure of non-essential businesses, a nightly curfew and a ban on interprovincial travel. This will most likely be for 2 weeks and in the high risk provinces and their neighbours.

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1413004166973116417

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by anchadian

[FarFlungFalang]

26 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

The idiocy never stops here. Must be genetic.

It also seems generic.

[ThailandRyan]

4 hours ago, anchadian said:

PM

@prayutofficial

will reportedly consider more restrictions “similar to last year’s hard lockdown” that *could* include movement restrictions and a curfew amidst ever escalating #COVID19 infections in Friday’s

@oc_ccsa meeting.

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1412999257343156224

 

UPDATE:

@thaimoph

is proposing movement restrictions, shelter-at-home and closing “non-essential” businesses to curb the escalating #COVID19 situation. The

@oc_ccsa , chaired by a quarantined-at-home PM

@prayutofficial , will make the final call as early as tomorrow

 

Unfortunately as the saying goes "A day late and a dollar short"

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by metisdead
Trolling image removed.

[wensiensheng]

24 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

Its as I said many weeks ago, Phuket was always going to open, come what may.

I would hate to be on Phuket at this moment in time as a Tourist.

Surely these people are not stupid, or ignorant, and they have access to modern Technology. They must be seeing some of these reports on Flight breeches, Infected Tourists and their treatment, Infection numbers, numbers Vaccinated Etc, and thinking to themselves " OMG what are we doing here, I cant wait for this to end ". Hardly the environment for a relaxing Holiday.

It must be squeaky Bum time for many of them right now, and they have little prospect of any onward Travel around Thailand ,or possibly even back to their own Countries, without some restrictions being placed upon them due to the rapid rise in Covid cases nationally.

 

Quite a few were tour agents and operators invited by TAT on a freebie with the intent that they spread the word (not the virus) to their customer base back home. They maybe smiling at their hosts at the moment, but at the back of their minds working out what they will report back.

 

heavy rain in the south of Phuket this morning……just to add to the experience should any be in this area. Very rough seas, plenty of trash on the western beach of Kata.

[DLock]

50 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Cut off the head off the snake and see how many other heads will roll. As I have stated many times he was the one who said he would take full responsibility and he was the one who said some risks are necessary. We are where we are because of him. Sorry but the buck stops at the top. He is basically a dead man walking. My fear is he will put the uniform back on.

No disagreement.

 

I am just amazed how many cliches you managed to fit in one paragraph...

[wensiensheng]

27 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

I agree.  I think another 'lockdown light' might be accepted and is probably inevitable, but I think they realise a severe lockdown would not be accepted, or be workable.

Well, in a sense lockdown light is still in force, although it’s lighter than before. But as I have previously posted, the problem with lockdown light, is that it becomes lockdown long. And there is a limit to how long people observe lockdown requirements.

 

at this juncture, with the situation being relatively uncontrolled, it takes something pretty draconian to make any appreciable difference. And with all the talk of opening the country in 100 days, Phuket opening, Samui opening, has government messaging really prepared people for that? I think not. The country is in a fight against a formidable foe, and they are gas lighting about an inconsequential number of tourists.

 

it’s time to get the begging bowl out and see if more vaccines can be obtained that way. It’s the only viable route that I see to shorten a tough period that’s coming up. Lockdowns may be past their usefulness in the current situation, unless it’s very draconian.

[farangman]

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

Nakhon Ratchasima locks down entire village after Covid-positive woman hosts party to celebrate being freed from prison

 

Nakhon Ratchasima province on Wednesday prohibited all travel to and from Ban Pong Khok village in Serngsang district’s Nonsomboon subdistrict until July 20 after the district chief reported that three persons in a family tested positive for Covid-19, leading to fears of a new cluster with 36 people from 22 households being classified as high risk.

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40002979

 

 

I would be asking why the hell are prison authorities are releasing Covid 19 positive people back into the community???

 

Obviously they are only testing a select few prisoners and then releasing them to spread to the whole community!