2 minutes ago, JayBird said:

No bars, no clubs, no gyms, curfew.

 

Required to stay in a designated hotel for 2 weeks or the duration of your stay if less.

 

Even if your condo and wife are next door.

You need to take love hotel few times/day whit your wife! If nothing else you can get off from pressure!

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Samui's reopening name will also change from the Samui Plus Model to the Samui Plus Sandbox.

Jeezus H Christ...... just call it Samui.

3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Finally.

Bars open also?

We have give the tourists something to do.

Can I enter bar also after I have my second AZ end of October. 

Wait and see.

2 hours ago, kingkenny said:

Double jabbed people are not immune, not according to any science I have seen anyway. You can catch and transmit covid, the vaccine reduces the chance of death or hospitalizations should you catch it. 

Shhhh.

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Think that through. So let's just use Bangkok as one example. 

Are some bars going to be open for fully vaccinated tourists and also fully vaccinated expats that live in Thailand. 

So management checks some vaccination certificate at entrance? 

Will curfew apply to all equally? etc

By entering the country they will have already proven that they have been double vaccinated, and there will be no curfew.

1 minute ago, LongTimeLurker said:

By entering the country they will have already proven that they have been double vaccinated, and there will be no curfew.

Go on believing that one...lol

Require double vaccination, with a top quality vax, unlike the one being used here. And require a covid negative test. And restrict only the nations that are at the top of the covid list. That is all. International tourists are taking a far greater risk by being here, and being exposed to the Thais, than the Thai people are taking by being exposed to them. Thais are now the real zombies in this equation.

 

Thailand needs the world right now, 20X more than the world needs Thailand. This is not the COTKU (Center of the known universe). The locals are in a world of hurt, economically. And it may last a very, very long time. I predict five years, and the fallout will be worse than 1997. And most of it appears to be sabotage. Willful or not. If they do a re-opening many ex-pats will return. Only a small number of tourists. My guess would be if they re-opened with NO restrictions at all next year, they might see a million tourists. Maybe. Two million by 2023-2025. Possibly as many as 5 million, five years from now.

Getting the tourists to come back here is going to be infinitely harder than they think. First and foremost, the lower to middle income crowd from China, India and Malaysia have been hard hit by all of this Covid stuff, and it will take a long time before most of them are ready to spend alot of money on vacations.

Second, the longer Thailand waits, the harder it is going to be. Thailand is already being forgotten, and is the laughing stock of the planet at this time, for the ridiculous number of restrictions imposed on anyone who wants to come here, even though it is them taking the risk, NOT the Thais.

Third, they never even considered addressing any of the issues plaguing the industry, long before Covid. And they continue to use Covid as a cover story, for any and all issues pertaining to tourism. The industry is basically finished here. Five years from now it will be a pale shadow of it's former self. Tourism here is essentially finished.

 

Fourth, what are international tourists coming to see? If a tourist wanted to venture to an island destination, they are all devastated by this shutdown. Was recently in Samui. 85% of the hotels were closed. Most restaurants, alot of bars, shops and other businesses were closed, many permanently. Granted, there are some great hotel bargains right now. But, that environment is fairly depressing, seeing so much hardship. So, the lame authorities here need to wrap their minds around that. Tourists would be coming to a hugely diminished destination.

 

Make some sacrifices, you incompetents. These issues and problems were becoming apparent long before Covid. And none were being addressed. Tourism had been declining for years already. The numbers were up. But the quality of tourist was way down. And according to everyone I spoke to in 2019, the year before, and the year before that, income was way, way down. So, "this blame it all on Covid scenario" is somewhat disengenuous. Sure, Covid is huge. And the drop now is stunning. But, my point is there were plenty of issues prior to Covid. And are any of them being addressed?

 

Quantity over quality is never a good thing, unless you are selling one dollar items at a swap meet. It just lowers the quality of the experience for all.

 

 

I’m confused.  Does Thailand take two steps forward—and one step back?

Or one step forward—and two steps back?

Great news.  Canceling my AQ booking and tearing up my COE for next week now.   

11 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

13 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

By entering the country they will have already proven that they have been double vaccinated, and there will be no curfew.

Go on believing that one...lol

Well, if you need to be double vaxxed as a tourist to enter the country do you not believe there will be a check on that?

 

And why would anyone, except with family here, want to come if there's a curfew?

 

So the way to attract tourists is by not telling them to go to bed by 21:00.

16 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

By entering the country they will have already proven that they have been double vaccinated, and there will be no curfew.

I'm already in Thailand and I am still waiting to be vaccinated. 

Do the tourists have a stamp on their forehead to distinguish them from the unclean.

14 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

he industry is basically finished here. Five years from now it will be a pale shadow of it's former self. Tourism here is essentially finished.

Not as long as there's bars and girls.

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Recharge in Hua Hin

is this another piece about electric cars ?

2 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

It wasn't a failure

Debacle?

Actually they [tourists] aren't immune, either from contracting Covid or transmitting it but they are much less to. If they do contract Covid then the effects should be much less.

 

They will certainly be less of a danger than the untested and single-jabbed or no-jabbed Thais freely traveling in and out of the "sealed area."  that you mention. That would also apply to any foreigners living in Thailand who are in the same situation. 

 

I'm not sure it makes sense.

3 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Finally.

Bars open also?

We have give the tourists something to do.

Can I enter bar also after I have my second AZ end of October. 

Dream on, nothing will be open.

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm already in Thailand and I am still waiting to be vaccinated. 

Do the tourists have a stamp on their forehead to distinguish them from the unclean.

My point exactly.

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm already in Thailand and I am still waiting to be vaccinated. 

Do the tourists have a stamp on their forehead to distinguish them from the unclean.

Yes, they will have to wear a yellow star on their clothes to show they've been vaccinated.

 

If you feel you'll be a threat to anyone by transmitting Covid, why would you go out and mix with these tourists? Or anyone else?

3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Yes, they will have to wear a yellow star on their clothes to show they've been vaccinated.

 

If you feel you'll be a threat to anyone by transmitting Covid, why would you go out and mix with these tourists? Or anyone else?

I was here first. 

38 minutes ago, chilli42 said:

Debacle?

I was thinking more of successful steppingstone to justifying reopening Thailand on a wider scale.

2 hours ago, samtam said:

Exactly. What is a "foreign tourist"? Does this mean only non residents of Thailand, (including Thais)? Strewth, clarification of a clarification please!

There can be no clarification - it is just another brain fart full of incomprehensible jargon.

 

They either open up, and risk the consequences, or stayed closed down and accept the consequences. That is the stark choice which the utter Horlicks which they have made of vaccinating their own population has left them with.

 

Either way, it needs one brave decision. That is unlikely to happen.

3 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Not stupid at all if it avoids ASQ.

 

 

Not ideal...................but most certainly a step forward.

Sorry but this is not a step in either directions: they are just renaming/rebranding a very difficult path for those who want to get back to Thailand and an impossible one for the real tourists. Those who have come back and will come back under this plan are not regular tourists. Sincerely, I do not see the difference between the ASQ and the sandbox from a financial point of view, nor withstanding the three tests imposed ... although I reckon that it is better to spend a couple of weeks outdoor 

TAT is dreaming. CCSA is not going to accept this idea yet. They still need to get the vaccination requirements and verifications in place and there are way too many unvaccinated Thais to start reopening nightlife venues.

 

1 hour ago, Isaan sailor said:

I’m confused.  Does Thailand take two steps forward—and one step back?

Or one step forward—and two steps back?

Definitely the latter. They have been moving in reverse for many years now. The tiger of SE Asia has become a feeble, sickly alley cat, pining for a decent meal, of scraps. 

3 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Sounds like a quarantine in all but name to me !

 

It's all still nonsense. Drop everything other than flashing your vaccine proof - anything more and Thailand is going to be pondering why nobody is coming in 10 years from now

And limiting the movement throughout the country for those perspective travelers? 

The whole country needs to be open for travel for those who qualify.

1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Not as long as there's bars and girls.

And it appears that elimination of the bars and nightlife is exactly what the fake puritans are attempting to do. Let us hope they fail miserably, as they have with virtually everything else they have tried to do during their sorry lives, except amass fortunes. 

46 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

And it appears that elimination of the bars and nightlife is exactly what the fake puritans are attempting to do. Let us hope they fail miserably, as they have with virtually everything else they have tried to do during their sorry lives, except amass fortunes. 

Thailand tourism was built by the girls, bars and beaches (all clean, of course).  Still got a long way to go…

So it is more about to get money in than to save lives then.

5 hours ago, kingkenny said:

Double jabbed people are not immune, not according to any science I have seen anyway. You can catch and transmit covid, the vaccine reduces the chance of death or hospitalizations should you catch it. 

I think it's more than that, check your facts.

Double jabbed is not immune. It just means if you get a variant like Delta for example, you will be ill and isolate at home or hotel for (in UK 10 days). You are unlikely to need to go to hospital. I speak from experience.