Pattaya to get huge new beachside development

[Gsxrnz]

I wonder what would happen if you gave an architect an unlimited amount of leggo?

[brianthainess]

14 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

OK, I'll bite.

What is "an aquarium-cum-zoo" 

Sounds like a wet dream in a zoo.

[redwood1]

1 hour ago, Destiny1990 said:

These investors really figured it out : A New Pattaya Mall. ????

In case anyone can not count Pattaya already has 13 shopping malls....

1. The Bay......................dead

2.Central festival..................ok busy

3.Mikes........................almost dead

4.Royal Garden..................very slow to dead

.5. Terminal 21...................slow

6.Central Marina....................very slow to dead

7. The Avenue.................dead

8.Tukcom.........................ok busy

9..Harbor.............................dead

.10.Outlet Mall...................not sure

11 Big C extra mall...............pretty busy

12 Big C mall...........................not sure

13, Tesco shopping center..............slow

 

 

[DPKANKAN]

15 hours ago, Virt said:

That's quite a lot.

Is the beach large enough to support such plans ????

Just ask TAT. They can count very well!!!????????????????????????????????

[jacko45k]

13 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

12 Big C mall...........................not sure

Was in there a couple of weeks ago and would give it a 'slow'..... incredulous they talk of building more.

[alant]

17 hours ago, anchadian said:

Whatever plans they might have for Pattaya, it will always be a hookers paradise.

 

Now that's a fact.

Maybe Marriot will be able to include that as a new string to their services?

[khunPer]

17 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Anyone who knows anything about Pattaya waters understands what utter nonsense this is. The WORST kind of misleading advertisement.

Many thanks for letting us know, I was beginning to be scared of the family destination reputation and guests swimming in dirty water, i.e. all those fish would sh*t somewhere, and where exactly is that "somewhere"...????

[khunPer]

It's an amazing Singapore inspired tower project, but is that what quality family tourists are heading to a paradise beach in Land Of Smiles for...????

 

In my honest opinion I would rather think that a Bounty-style beach with endless rows of coconut palms and low beachfront resorts buildings facing the beach would be more of a quality tourist family's dream of paradise...????

 

Edited November 27, 2021 by khunPer

[DefaultName]

This screams CASINO to me.

[Burma Bill]

20 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Finally there will be a "Wellness Center".

And not forgetting a casino?????

[PETERTHEEATER]

21 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Anyone who knows anything about Pattaya waters understands what utter nonsense this is. The WORST kind of misleading advertisement.

Turds cunningly shaped to look like fish. Now that's what I call PR! 

[redwood1]

2 hours ago, DefaultName said:

This screams CASINO to me.

You could be right.....A convention center is taylor made for a Casino conversion...

 

Does Pattaya really need yet another huge empty mall? I think not...

 

 

Edited November 27, 2021 by redwood1

[johng]

2 hours ago, DefaultName said:

This screams CASINO to me.

And cue the  rumours  that the Ambassador City Jomtien Hotel has a whole floor already setup and waiting for the day ( waiting for a looooong time now  ???? )

[Longreach]

and then there is the traffic. just servicing this monstrosity would require

a large number of vehicles including tour buses every day.

[Longreach]

and then there is the traffic. just servicing this monstrosity would require

a large number of vehicles including tour buses every day.

[johng]

5 hours ago, alant said:

Maybe Marriot will be able to include that as a new string to their services?

If sir will be having a joiner this evening  there will be a 5,000 baht surcharge !

[86Tiger]

28 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

You could be right.....A convention center is taylor made for a Casino conversion...

 

Does Pattaya really need yet another huge empty mall? I think not...

 

 

 

 

With these deals need has nothing to do with it.

 

Some one sees profit to be had.  Tax payers beware........

[newnative]

22 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Looks awesome might be a place I would actually be interested in buying Marriott usually does things right and is not going out of business.

Problem, I will probably be dead by the time it is finished.

 

To add, one block over is Soi 6 which I guess is kind of an eye sore for families or upper level tourists wanting to stay/live at the Marriott property.

Should be interesting to see what happens.

     Take heart.  Depending on when it gets started, it might be done sooner than you think.   Private industry, unlike the government, can move pretty fast.  Seems like just yesterday that The Edge and the massive Grande Centre Point 2 were breaking ground.  Now, The Edge is done and GCP 2 is well along.  Ditto for the new hotel across from Central Festival and the one going up across from GCP 2.   

     I find all the development to be a positive for Pattaya--including this new project.  And, Pattaya can still draw a crowd.  I'm sitting on my balcony looking at a very busy Beach Road--it's been that way since early afternoon.   Once it opens, the new parking garage at T21 should help matters some with big events.  It's nice to see the activity.  The hotels all looked like they were doing a good business last night--also good to see.   

[peterrabbit]

Who ever builds something that big in Pattaya had better make sure they build in the following systems:-

 

Desalination plant to produce fresh water 

Waste water treatment plant with discharge to sea

Waste processing and disposal facilities 

Sea wall and flooding defences

Electrical generation plant

Helipad to transport customers by air to avoid the grid locked roads

On site security, emergency and medical services and emergency helicopter evacuation

Air Purification and Bio hazard screens to prevent contagious pathogens from entering the building from outside

Anti Kmoy electronic screening on all entrances

Separate VIP entrances and spaces for "people of influence" and politicians to avoid contact with general public

 

Because there is NO WAY Pattaya City Council can provide these ! ????

 

[Leaver]

 

Without a casino on lucky floor number 8, for the Chinese, a development like this will not make money.   

 

I am sure somewhere in the design is provision for a casino.  

[champers]

This is a development driven by AWS, Chang's property arm and run by the daughter of Chang's top man. They have owned the land for donkey's years and have an awful lot more on 2nd Road awaiting development. They are not some dumb, opportunitstic scam artists out to defraud multiple private investors/mug punters. They have raised their own capital from major financial institutions in Bangkok. This, and other developments, was planned well before Covid reared its ugly head.

I agree that for Convention hall read "gaming floor". The first of many, I would say.

[Leaver]

24 minutes ago, champers said:

This is a development driven by AWS, Chang's property arm and run by the daughter of Chang's top man. They have owned the land for donkey's years and have an awful lot more on 2nd Road awaiting development. They are not some dumb, opportunitstic scam artists out to defraud multiple private investors/mug punters. They have raised their own capital from major financial institutions in Bangkok. This, and other developments, was planned well before Covid reared its ugly head.

I agree that for Convention hall read "gaming floor". The first of many, I would say.

 

Let's imagine for one moment this gets built, and is successful.  Shops, hotel, restaurants, nightclub, bars etc - all busy.  

 

What about the other shops, hotels, restaurants, nightclubs, bars etc in Pattaya that they send broke?  

 

It's one thing to look at a development like this and think Pattaya must be a good investment, but only IF it's a success, and even then, it comes at the expense of other investors that invested in other developments, who lose their money.

 

They keep cutting the pie into smaller slices here, and cheap Chinese, Russian and Indian package holiday tourists do not eat pie.  

 

 

[Maha Sarakham]

Tasteless.

[MrJ2U]

Cool.

 

If you're going to build, build big.

 

It'll look better than the old closed hotels that presently blight that corner.

 

Anyone remember the one that used to be like 5 star.  Off course it would look dated now.  But it was quite nice 25 years ago.

[newnative]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

Let's imagine for one moment this gets built, and is successful.  Shops, hotel, restaurants, nightclub, bars etc - all busy.  

 

What about the other shops, hotels, restaurants, nightclubs, bars etc in Pattaya that they send broke?  

 

It's one thing to look at a development like this and think Pattaya must be a good investment, but only IF it's a success, and even then, it comes at the expense of other investors that invested in other developments, who lose their money.

 

They keep cutting the pie into smaller slices here, and cheap Chinese, Russian and Indian package holiday tourists do not eat pie.  

 

 

      Just back from the fireworks--which were spectacular, as always.  Looking out at north Pattaya from my balcony.  Lots and lots of lights on in all the hotels I can see:  Mytt, A-01, Holiday Inn, Grand Palazzo, Cape Dara, Dusit, Mercure, and Grande Centre Point.  Can't see Amari but it's likely busy, too.  Many of the smaller boutique hotels have also opened and they look full, as well.  Looking south when I was watching the fireworks, Hilton and other hotels in that direction looked busy, too.  

      This is without any of your 'cheap Chinese, Russian, and Indian package holiday tourists'.  This is without hardly any international tourists at all.  This is without much of Walking Street being open.   Yes, there's a special event going on this weekend but that doesn't detract from the fact that Pattaya is now able to attract large numbers of domestic tourists that will come for a visit.  It hasn't happened overnight but it's clear that new projects like Terminal 21, the beach restoration, new attractions, new condo projects, and all the nice, new hotels that have been built--large and small--have made Pattaya a more attractive destination for many.

      In my opinion, Aquatique is another big positive--adding more nice hotels, residences, retail, and some sorely needed non-bar entertainment to Beach Road.  Tired, old Grand Sole Hotel is also planned to be redone and rebranded.  It's all good and each new thing contributes to making the whole area better--and more attractive to tourists.  

      You talk about cutting the pie into smaller slices--maybe true for too many western bars slicing a not-growing too much western bar clientele pie.   But the regular tourist pie can be made bigger, as shown by this weekend.   Will Aquatique opening cause some businesses to close?  Perhaps.  But, it's much more likely it will do the reverse--draw more tourists in, to the benefit of other businesses.  

[Leaver]

28 minutes ago, newnative said:

 This is without any of your 'cheap Chinese, Russian, and Indian package holiday tourists'.  This is without hardly any international tourists at all.  This is without much of Walking Street being open.  

 

This is only for 2 days / nights.  

 

Even if Pattaya hosted big events every weekend, post covid, for the Bangkok Thai's, that only makes Pattaya busy for 96 days out of 365 days in the year.  Does that pay the bills?  

 

31 minutes ago, newnative said:

Yes, there's a special event going on this weekend but that doesn't detract from the fact that Pattaya is now able to attract large numbers of domestic tourists that will come for a visit. 

 

Once again, events would have to be held every weekend, and even then, does being busy 8 nights of a month even cover staff salaries?

 

Who pays to host the events?  Can city hall afford to keep hosting?  Do they even care?

 

33 minutes ago, newnative said:

It hasn't happened overnight but it's clear that new projects like Terminal 21, the beach restoration, new attractions, new condo projects, and all the nice, new hotels that have been built--large and small--have made Pattaya a more attractive destination for many.

 

Did you see any of the people attending the fireworks show actually buy anything from a shop in T21?

 

The beach restoration is free for these domestic tourists. 

 

Are there enough domestic tourists to see that most hotels, guest houses etc survive?  As you said, "all the nice new hotels that have been built - large and small."  What about the older established hotels?  What about their investment?  

 

This is my point.  Build a nice new hotel, no matter how big, or how small, and it comes at a cost to smaller, or larger, older hotels, because there is just not enough tourists, domestic and / or international, to fill them all, and, they keep building more.  

 

So whilst you see lights on in the hotels you mention, would you care to comment on all the hotels where you didn't see lights on, or do they not count?  Do you have any sympathetic words for those business owners?  What will become of those businesses and buildings?  

 

As for Pattaya being an attractive destination for many, look at the beach and the ocean water.  Hardly attractive, is it?  Pattaya is famous for its adult nightlife.  The fact that they mislead Chinese and Russians that it is a tropical paradise is another conversation.

 

43 minutes ago, newnative said:

In my opinion, Aquatique is another big positive--adding more nice hotels, residences, retail, and some sorely needed non-bar entertainment to Beach Road. 

 

Ok, but at what cost to established buildings / businesses?

 

One big new shiny building / business is built, which sends 10 other buildings and their businesses broke, do yo say Pattaya is booming? 

 

What about the vacant buildings this will cause?  Hardly an appearance of a thriving Pattaya economy. 

 

47 minutes ago, newnative said:

You talk about cutting the pie into smaller slices--maybe true for too many western bars slicing a not-growing too much western bar clientele pie.   But the regular tourist pie can be made bigger, as shown by this weekend. 

 

Once again, weekends of domestic tourism does not make a tourist industry.

 

49 minutes ago, newnative said:

Will Aquatique opening cause some businesses to close?  Perhaps.  But, it's much more likely it will do the reverse--draw more tourists in, to the benefit of other businesses.  

It is "perhaps" or is it "benefit of other businesses?" 

 

Question:  In your opinion, just how many condo's, malls, hotels etc is the right amount for them all to survive here?  Do you think the saturation point has been reached, is near, or is nowhere near?     

 

I think back to the 2019 high season, and all was not well here.  Post covid, why would it be any different?  

[Dont confuse me]

I've visited  2 water parks one in Hua Hin the other in Cha Am the Hua Hin was well set out not many rides to choose from but the were more or less of Western standard the 'beach' pool was acceptable however it's really only affordable to Westerners and HiSo Thais.

The other whilst cheaper, as such had a lot of Thai kids running about and the slides weren't working properly (insufficient water being pumped through).

Therein lies the problem with these type of attractions in Thailand,  (a) They don't have properly trained staff. (b) They won't pay Western rates to have correct maintenance performed.

Then of course there's a little thing called infrastructure.

They can flout as many fancy flyers as they want but the bottom line is ...It won't work.

[Destiny1990]

20 hours ago, redwood1 said:

In case anyone can not count Pattaya already has 13 shopping malls....

1. The Bay......................dead

2.Central festival..................ok busy

3.Mikes........................almost dead

4.Royal Garden..................very slow to dead

.5. Terminal 21...................slow

6.Central Marina....................very slow to dead

7. The Avenue.................dead

8.Tukcom.........................ok busy

9..Harbor.............................dead

.10.Outlet Mall...................not sure

11 Big C extra mall...............pretty busy

12 Big C mall...........................not sure

13, Tesco shopping center..............slow

 

 

Yeah my comment was sarcastic, better place that monster in Jomtien across from Carebean condo at trappaya road. Huge seafront landplot.

[Damrongsak]

On 11/26/2021 at 2:06 PM, redwood1 said:

Guys you should click this link.......Very interesting.....That new development in Chinatown looks like the perfect weapon to DESTROY Chinatowns  uniqueness and character, which may also be the plan for Pattaya...

So they want to bulldoze the old, quaint stuff and make it look all western, overpriced and lacking in any character?  I liked that area 20-40 years ago. 

[champers]

1 hour ago, Damrongsak said:

So they want to bulldoze the old, quaint stuff and make it look all western, overpriced and lacking in any character?  I liked that area 20-40 years ago. 

There was no old or quaint stuff where this development is going to be. The land was primarily used as a car and tourist bus parking lot. There were some restaurants at the Beach Rd and 2nd Rd entrances/exits along with a few market stalls for beachwear.

Pattaya as a tourist destination is less than 60 years old so there isn't any cultural heritage here to destroy. The only ancient relics from a bygone era are the mamasans in the beerbars.