Pub-like Eateries to Be Closed at Level 4 COVID Alert

[Broken Record]

1 minute ago, stigar said:

WHO warning today and says people must stop thinking omicron is MILD!!!!!

These bar monger idiots just wish it was, selfish fools.

[david555]

13 minutes ago, stigar said:

WHO warning today and says people must stop thinking omicron is MILD!!!!!

So....????...it is suspected it might be a "tricky stealth virus "....letting us think it is mild ...so letting it in to our system .....(is nature playing us another dirty trick ...? ????)

[Andrew65]

1 hour ago, smiggley said:

Everyone is focussed on the bars and alcohol but what about the markets and overcrowded factories,

I have read a lot more clusters are attributed to these places than bars.

The only thing with bars and alcohol is that they're not essential services and products.

Although I agree with what a UK politician said recently, we can't carry on like this indefinitely. In the UK the furlough scheme cost the taxpayer £70 billion, we can't afford too much of that.

A balance has to be found between managing the virus and not destroying the economy.

[Mavideol]

20 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Announcing the level 4 COVID-19 alert, Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said that the level 4 alert was likely to lead to restriction on alcohol consumption because it was a main factor of outbreaks.

Yesterday== Anutin: Latest covid-19 surge won't be like 2021 - because enough Thais are vaccinated

Anutin - who is neither a scientist or a doctor, just filthy rich - said that Omicron was not as bad as Delta.

 

and the contradictions keep coming out of his mouth... so is it bad or not bad

[bkk6060]

29 minutes ago, misterworldwide said:

Fuqq it, let it rip, let's all get drunk. I'm going to Soi 7 tonight.

You may want to grab a pop at 7-11 first sounds as though any venues there will now be closed.

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, stigar said:

WHO warning today and says people must stop thinking omicron is MILD!!!!!

Tedros is worrying that he's about to slip back into obscurity.

 

Gotta keep stoking that fire...

[JonnyF]

4 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

You may want to grab a pop at 7-11 first sounds as though any venues there will now be closed.

Just announced. In BKK they can still serve until 9pm as long as it's a 'restaurant' and SHA approved.

[RafPinto]

And the owner of a few bars on soi 4 in BKK just renovated heavily.
He must be crying.

[Rimmer]

A racist slur has been removed

[James105]

25 minutes ago, RafPinto said:

And the owner of a few bars on soi 4 in BKK just renovated heavily.
He must be crying.

He was told to "get ready for opening on the 16th Jan" by the government - what was he supposed to do?  Any bar or venue will have to spend significant money getting ready to open after being closed for so long (stock/marketing/staff/sprucing things up), and will also have incurred significant debt prior to that due to being closed for so long.   

 

It's incredibly cruel to do this to people.  I'd expect some suicides as a result of giving people hope, getting them to spend money they do not have on this hope, then taking the hope away again.  I feel desperately sorry for people who have invested in what was previously a viable business.  

[Dont confuse me]

When you read what's going on over here, take away the laughter factor, we really don't appreciate how lucky we were to be born elsewhere.

The average hard working family (and there's plenty of them) who strive to provide the basics don't really have a chance under these clowns!

[bullseye66]

7 hours ago, Dialemco said:

Yes because the horse has bolted nearly 200,000 infections daily officially which probably about 2 to 3 times higher.

Correct. Plus they are running out and keeping reserves for those that REALLY need them.

[brewsterbudgen]

It looks like there will be no additional alcohol bans even for the new style "restaurants"!

 

BREAKING: Eateries in #Thailand's “sandbox” areas can still serve alcohol until 9pm. Pubs and bars are to remain closed beyond the initially planned reopening on Jan 16, but if they open as "eateries" they can serve alcohol. #ThailandNews

[Mentors65]

Pattaya remains as "Blue Zone"

[VBF]

18 hours ago, billd766 said:

Which is the same environment, with or without alcoholic drinks.

Agree....but THEIR thinking (if you can call it that) is  probably that people's behaviour changes after a few drinks.

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, calbts2 said:

Sorry, I don't buy that propaganda click-bait supposed news story. There are an unlimited amount of social interactions where someone can become infected and to put the blame on alcohol drinking and scapegoating bars is weak and pathetic. Covidiocy has literally brainwashed and stoked fear into a large segment of the population. I am moving on with my life.

Sorry can’t be a clickbait with such mundane headline and it’s not just a news story but science based fact. Alcohol is not only blamed but singled out as the cause of intoxicated people losing their inhibition, mingle, losing social distancing discipline, converse more than normal and loudly spraying covid virus in an enclosed area and become a super spreader. Reason enough for most countries to close pubs as one of their strategy to stop infection. Not understanding the reasons and gravity of closing pubs as an important measure to prevent infection is rather naive but you chose your life and I wish you well.

[brewsterbudgen]

6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Sorry can’t be a clickbait with such mundane headline and it’s not just a news story but science based fact. Alcohol is not only blamed but singled out as the cause of intoxicated people losing their inhibition, mingle, losing social distancing discipline, converse more than normal and loudly spraying covid virus in an enclosed area and become a super spreader. Reason enough for most countries to close pubs as one of their strategy to stop infection. Not understanding the reasons and gravity of closing pubs as an important measure to prevent infection is rather naive but you chose your life and I wish you well.

Anyway it's a moot point; the "pub-like eateries" can continue as before.  Party on...

[josephbloggs]

41 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It looks like there will be no additional alcohol bans even for the new style "restaurants"!

 

BREAKING: Eateries in #Thailand's “sandbox” areas can still serve alcohol until 9pm. Pubs and bars are to remain closed beyond the initially planned reopening on Jan 16, but if they open as "eateries" they can serve alcohol. #ThailandNews

Yeah, but Bangkok is no longer a Sandbox area, right?  

I saw this on Thai News Reports:  "New Sandbox provinces from 11 January: Samui, Koh Phan Ngan, Koh Tao, Phang Nga, and Krabi".     Source: 

 

Or are they "new as in "additional"?  I guess we need to wait for clarity to see whether Bangkok is included or not.

[Bkk Brian]

Some good news at least:

 

The registration to enter Thailand via the tourist sandboxes, with seven days quarantine period, in Phuket, Krabi, Phang Nga and Surat Thani (Ko Samui, Ko Pha-ngan and Ko Tao) will be reopened on January 11 after it was halted on December 22.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/36302/thailand-adjusts-entry-permissions-restarts-sandbox-entries-halts-text-and-go/

[Chiang Mai Will]

20 hours ago, calbts2 said:

First - where is the scientific evidence that alcohol consumption is a main factor of outbreaks? 

Complete utter rubbish.

Next - is this tool going to pay all of these businesses he wants to shut down out of his vast fortune?

Feel so sad that the Thai people have to put up with this inept, ineffective, and economy destroying leadership.

Since 2014 it has been a slow slide downward and I don't even think we have hit rock bottom yet economically.

 

1. It's not 'scientific evidence' it's obvious that people gather together closely in bars drinking alcohol.

2. not really 'complete utter rubbish'. many Western countries closed the bars.

3. No, they won't pay compensation.

4. Yes, I agree, it is sad for the people -- not just the farangs who want to keep the bars open for their personal recreational benefit!

5. Right again, the economy will get worse. The result depends on the 'Reserves' held. Pity the poor policemen getting into debt due to the lack of premises to pay their monthly 'service charge'!

[James105]

6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Sorry can’t be a clickbait with such mundane headline and it’s not just a news story but science based fact. Alcohol is not only blamed but singled out as the cause of intoxicated people losing their inhibition, mingle, losing social distancing discipline, converse more than normal and loudly spraying covid virus in an enclosed area and become a super spreader. Reason enough for most countries to close pubs as one of their strategy to stop infection. Not understanding the reasons and gravity of closing pubs as an important measure to prevent infection is rather naive but you chose your life and I wish you well.

Are they letting people drink alcohol in factories and hospitals then, as that is (by a significant margin) where covid has been spreading the most?   Closing pubs does not "prevent infection" at all, it simply moves it into peoples houses or condo rooms or wherever else they can find to socialise instead.    Your theory is only correct in a strictly controlled environment where the closure of the pub is combined with harsh measures to also prevent people socialising in non pub environments.   Since that has never been the case here (and is nigh on impossible to enforce outside of totalitarian countries such as China/North Korea/Australia) the only thing that is achieved is the destruction of peoples business and increased poverty.  

 

For evidence see April to October 2021 in Thailand where all pubs were closed and covid reached 20,000 a day at its peak several months after pubs were forced to close.   

[rott]

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

You may want to grab a pop at 7-11 first sounds as though any venues there will now be closed.

Soi 7 was closed last night (apparently down to Covid), hope he has better luck. 

[VBF]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

I would not call it wasted, can't you find anything else to do that peeks your interest ?

 

I mean there must be more to life then beer and woman ?

 

Not judging at all just seems awfully few hobbies. 

Well my music collection (and knowledge) has increased exponentially since mid 2020. I've taught myself a few programming skills

Plus living in UK, a small group of us have found some brilliant country walks and learned to use different mapping apps. Mind you when the pubs reopened, beer did come back into the equation! ???? 

And there ARE women here too, believe it or not (never mind the quality, feel the width ????)

[brewsterbudgen]

35 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Yeah, but Bangkok is no longer a Sandbox area, right?  

I saw this on Thai News Reports:  "New Sandbox provinces from 11 January: Samui, Koh Phan Ngan, Koh Tao, Phang Nga, and Krabi".     Source: 

 

Or are they "new as in "additional"?  I guess we need to wait for clarity to see whether Bangkok is included or not.

Yes, although unofficially I've been told all the Blue Zones can continue as before, and that includes Bangkok and Pattaya.

[VBF]

6 hours ago, robblok said:

Last year they attributed most things to covid and yes some die untreated diseases because covid takes up all the ICU's so not many room for those kinds of operations. IMHO those are covid deaths too. (UK is also postponing operations due to covid posted an article about that before)

 

Anyway, the vast majority is covid (already been proven and its more then the covid states) that is what the organizations found ofter checking better. So its still here killing and its still something to worry about.

 

Basically, the higher infection rate causes less deaths percentage wise but because of how fast it spreads it still kills more.

 

I wish it was different, id rather say its all ok all the measures are for nothing. Our governments lock us down because they like power and its all a big conspiracy. But unfortunately, that is not the case. (not that i ever believed it as its already political suicide to put in stringent measures in place, they actually hesitate a lot because of worry about voters)

 

We got some pretty radical idiots in my country death threats to ministers. Burning dolls of ministers. So they are slow to put in measures instead of reveling in their power like some people think.

 

I always wonder why people think governments would destroy their economy and voter base on purpose. I mean opposition parties are gaining votes for opposing things in my country. So that kind of logic is strange yet i hear it a lot. Maybe other countries don't have a functioning democracy.

 

We've disagreed before @robblok but in this instance I fully agree with you particularly your final paragraph.

The idiot conspiracy theorists annoy me so much....especially as I USED to be one until i thought for myself!

interesting Podcast on that very subject  In touch with reality

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, Glassjaw said:

Yes, because so many staff have to isolate, but the uk is actually probably doing things correctly (even if too many people still refuse to wear masks).

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-59862568
 

This article sums it up well and why restrictions may well be pointless now, or even so a few weeks ago. Get jabbed up and keep some semblance of normality because it will run rampant no matter what. So many little authoritarians always acting piously when it comes to others daring to enjoy life a bit.

I can only assume that having the highest total in hospitals with covid since last February means little to  you.

[Skeptic7]

2 hours ago, RafPinto said:

And the owner of a few bars on soi 4 in BKK just renovated heavily.
He must be crying.

Was on Soi 4 last night and it was goin' off! Most bars open. Even inside NEP the outside bars were serving beer, booze, billiards and babes in abundance! Talent level HIGH, unlike Pattaya/Jomtien where it's low and still a total sausagefest ????. Will be going back tonight to see if any changes. 

[sandyf]

5 hours ago, jimn said:

Dont make things out to be worse than they actually are. The critical incidents in a few hospitals have been declared due to staff shortages, ie having to self isolate after close contact with someone over Christmas and the New Year. This will soon pass. Dont also forget that the 17,988 people in hospital are not all there because of Covid. Only some are. The rest are in hospital for other reasons and just happen to have covid. Of the 17,988 people in hospital only 875 are serious and on Ventilators. 90% are unvaccinated 

Don't make things up to be better than they actually are.

[VBF]

5 hours ago, Trip Hop said:

Lateral flow test. More commonly known as an antigen or ATK in Thailand. 

Actually, i have been wondering why it's referred to as ATK here on AN. I thought it must be the same as LFT...thanks for confirming ????

[James105]

6 hours ago, sandyf said:

Every winter?

Remind me how many winters saw 18,000 in hospital with covid.

of course it is going to be difficult to compete with other years that did not have covid.  But it is in crisis every single year.   This one no different to any other.  The time to be concerned is when the NHS is not claiming to be in a crisis in winter as then we know something is terribly wrong.