Thailand reports 2,839 new coronavirus cases, 8 new deaths

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Ah yes the Quote which should be on his Marker after he has died and been cremated.  A quote to haunt him for eternity to show how misguided he was and continues to be.

an absolute oxygen thief, the sooner he is removed from it, the better off the country will be.

[KhunMorris]

It's time to go hard LOCKDOWN. Close everything indoors. 

 

Sincerely 

 

Morris 

[Artisi]

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

From the government public relations department:

 

"The Ministry of Public Health has emphasized that the COVID-19 infection is still being found in workplaces and business establishments. It is important to refrain from gathering for activities and eating together to reduce the spread of the infections."

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/thailandprd/posts/4197943666895682

 

 

 

 

except during Songkran or other very important events ../..

[phills2k1]

4 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

I would tend to agree with you as far as the deaths were concerned if I did not know people who had died that were healthy after being on ventilators or those suffering long term covid effects after having recovered over 6 months ago. My former partner, 50 years of age, is still relearning to walk in the states after being on a ventilator and in the hospital for 56 days.  Prior to that he worked out regularly, ate healthy and was a bull rider on the weekends at rodeos.

I'm sorry to hear that. Hope there's a full recovery

[Pattaya Spotter]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

I would tend to agree with you as far as the deaths were concerned if I did not know people who had died that were healthy after being on ventilators or those suffering long term covid effects after having recovered over 6 months ago. My former partner, 50 years of age, is still relearning to walk in the states after being on a ventilator and in the hospital for 56 days.  Prior to that he worked out regularly, ate healthy and was a bull rider on the weekends at rodeos.

I surely don't deny that there are cases of previously healthy people (athletes say) who have had very bad cases of Covid-19 disease, with long term recoveries. These have been well documented...but they are extremely rare. And overall coronavirus health policy can not be based on these peculiar cases. Just like the blood clot issue with the AZ and JJ vaccines...an issue but the medical authorities advise it's in society's overall health interest to continue using them despite the negative outcome for a very very small number of people. I hope your x makes a full recovery as quickly as possible. 

[meltonpie]

In terms of the rate of new cases per day increasing - the recent rapid growth in India has seen the increase in new daily cases move from around 22 per million to 204 per million in 34 days.

Thailand has a rate around 22 per million now, so it is quite easy to believe there could be 15000 new cases per day in Thailand a month from now. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Have you seen the numbers in ICU, on ventilators and in a serious condition fighting for their lives? Its all there published. Its not just about the deaths although for you it does appear so.

Every death is sad and a loss for those directly affected...but I'm focusing on overall policies for the country. I don't have to remind you but we're in a pandemic...and that's what happens...people die. From my understanding, if the condition is serious enough for mechanical ventilation it's already grave indeed. Wasn't it found after the fact that it was premature use of vents that probably actually killed a lot of people and that MDs have learned to be much more judicious in using them. 

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

How can this be when the Government has said all along they were prepared should cases increase

There not, it's a guessing game to them.

[jvs]

1 hour ago, ourmanflint said:

They thought this time was just like the last time. 

There you have it!Last year people also travelled and nothing really happened

after that,Thailand was lucky to deal with another variant of the virus.

This time it is different and not for the better.

Last year low numbers,not because of great management but pure luck.

Like some one important in Thailand said"what ever happens happens."

 

[Nicknoodle]

I know of people in Bangkok that are sick, but will not get tested because they have already been advised a test will cost 3000 baht. Same story in many parts of the world.....no testing, no covid!

 

[meltonpie]

7 minutes ago, meltonpie said:

In terms of the rate of new cases per day increasing - the recent rapid growth in India has seen the increase in new daily cases move from around 22 per million to 204 per million in 34 days.

Thailand has a rate around 22 per million now, so it is quite easy to believe there could be 15000 new cases per day in Thailand a month from now. 

Just to add a further note to my own post - the UK topped out at around 881 new cases per million per day around 10th January.  If it reached that kind of level in Thailand you would be looking at around 62,000 new cases per day!

[Rhacsyn]

20 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Yep. We all knowroad safety is a big issue here but you "there are more deaths on the road or more deaths from flu" guys are particularly boring. It's an arguement that has been shot down many times. Wonder how the death toll on roads compared to covid deaths or flu deaths are going in India?

 

My point exactly. Yes it has been shot down and now you find the comparison boring. Sad. Anyway I am fully aware of the situation in India and am also very aware of how incredibly densely populated and poverty stricken much of it is, but I am in Thailand now and simply adding my view on things here. My initial post was actually not intended to be the basis of a comparison of deaths here, but simply an observation as to how easy it appears to be for us to become blasé about daily road deaths. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Golden Triangle]

I completely understand and agree with the new regulations regarding the wearing of masks when out in public, does that also include when driving does anyone know ? It doesn't affect me these days as I had my eyes sorted a few months back, just asking for the people who wear glasses and find them fogging up when wearing a mask.

[A Los for words]

3 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

The age of the people who died ranged from  48 to 89. All had underlying health conditions, apart from one who was obese.

So obesity is not an underlying health condition? That will upset insurers in the USA.

[Jumbo1968]

Will Thailand now close the borders, there must be quite a few who have a COE including myself, my Thai partner and son, we are due to fly from the U.K. on the 7th of May. 
I am not unduly concerned about the increased rates in Thailand as we are having a similar amount of cases in the U.K. and more deaths.

[Swimfan]

3 hours ago, pagallim said:

I said to my wife yesterday, that the full ramifications of allowing national travel during Songkran would take up to two weeks to manifest itself.   I believe it plausible that daily cases will rise to 5000/day by the end of this week with stricter measures/lockdowns being introduced.

 

 

I am afraid you are probably correct. It unlikely any measures other than a complete lockdown will have any major effect now. 

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Every death is sad and a loss for those directly affected...but I'm focusing on overall policies for the country. I don't have to remind you but we're in a pandemic...and that's what happens...people die. From my understanding, if the condition is serious enough for mechanical ventilation it's already grave indeed. Wasn't it found after the fact that it was premature use of vents that probably actually killed a lot of people and that MDs have learned to be much more judicious in using them. 

Those policies should be a complete lockdown now to avoid further deaths and suffering.

[Pattaya Spotter]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Those policies should be a complete lockdown now to avoid further deaths and suffering.

It's been pretty conclusively shown that lockdowns produce their own suffering and deaths...so again it's not so black and white; and policy makers have to weigh the choices available to them.

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, Rhacsyn said:

 

My point exactly. Yes it has been shot down and now you find the comparison boring. Sad. Anyway I am fully aware of the situation in India and am also very aware of how incredibly densely populated and poverty stricken much of it is, but I am in Thailand now and simply adding my view on things here. My initial post was actually not intended to be the basis of a comparison of deaths here, but simply an observation as to how easy it appears to be for us to become blasé about daily road deaths. Correct me if I am wrong.

Road deaths and covid are two different things. It's quite simple. Cancer deaths and road deaths are two different things. Suicide and gun crimes causing deaths .........etc.

[ThailandRyan]

18 minutes ago, jvs said:

There you have it!Last year people also travelled and nothing really happened

Travelled where pray tell.  Interprovincial travel was restricted, we had curfews, and Songkran was canceled in it's entirety. How could you have missed that event, as many on here are now comparing what caused this spread versus last year because of not Canceling the Songkran holiday and travel.  Sorry if my post seems over the top and negative.

[Swimfan]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

This has been a conundrum throughout the pandemic...how to distinguish and thus count Covid deaths in people with pre-existing serious medical conditions or just plain advanced age. One can make the argument that but for contracting the coronavirus the 99 year old lady in the nursing would have lived another 2 weeks...or the morbidly obese 45 year old with hypertension, diabetes, and liver failure would have lived 6 more months if he hadn't caught the virus but who really knows. In any case, what we do know is that elderly people in general, the sick elderly, and the medically vulnerable at any age are at significantly increased risk if they contract the virus. For others, the risk of serious health consequences from virus exposure are is minimal. I think the details provided above concerning yesterday's deaths bare this out.

 

Maybe you should do some research on how many years on average a person who died from Covid would have lived for if not infected. And that number is increasing as more and more healthy young people succumb to the virus. 
many people people with underlying issues can have reasonable life expectancy with ongoing support and treatment. 

[ThailandRyan]

6 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

It's been pretty conclusively shown that lockdowns produce their own suffering and deaths...so again it's not so black and white; and policy makers have to weigh the choices available to them.

Correct, there is no black and white with this virus, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.  I wish there was a true middle ground Grey Area, that would appease everyone and keep the cases at a minimum and the deaths at near zero.  I have no clue how to get there unless we test everyone like elsewhere and then retest again and again.  My son gets tested twice monthly even though he has been vaccinated because of his position and the job he holds.  I think the guys who are working on the oilrigs and such are also getting tested routinely in order to keep the platforms up and running.  Schools in the US have reopened, and they are testing the teachers and staff regularly as well.  Are infections dropping because of this or not, only time will tell, but it is one way that places have been able to open up and have a return to what they call the new normal.  

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, SwampyThai said:

22nd 7 deaths 1 serious/critical: 23rd 4 deaths 1 serious/critical: 24th 8 deaths 1 serious/critical? 19 deaths but none were serious/critical before they died? Did they feel fine 1 minute then drop dead the next?

That's pretty much exactly what happens, in many, many cases. A patient can go from seemingly OK to dying, shockingly quickly.  It's one of the ongoing puzzles with this disease.

 

See article below that chronicles exactly this.

 

From fine to flailing - rapid health declines in COVID-19 patients jar doctors, nurses

 

As the article states:

 

"One medical worker called it “insane,” another said it induces paranoia - the speed with which patients are declining and dying from the novel coronavirus is shocking even veteran doctors and nurses as they scramble to determine how to stop such sudden deterioration."

 

According to one nurse working with CoViD-19 patients, who is quoted in the article:

 

"Patients “look fine, feel fine, then you turn around and they’re unresponsive”

[findlay13]

46 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

I would tend to agree with you as far as the deaths were concerned if I did not know people who had died that were healthy after being on ventilators or those suffering long term covid effects after having recovered over 6 months ago. My former partner, 50 years of age, is still relearning to walk in the states after being on a ventilator and in the hospital for 56 days.  Prior to that he worked out regularly, ate healthy and was a bull rider on the weekends at rodeos.

I was a bit of a sceptic until a Swedish mate and his family got it.He was a fit bloke  cross county skier etc.He ended up inintensive care for weeks and is still rehabilitating months after.But his missus was only sick for a couple of weeks and his son a few days .

Edited April 24, 2021 by findlay13

[Rhacsyn]

13 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Road deaths and covid are two different things. It's quite simple. Cancer deaths and road deaths are two different things. Suicide and gun crimes causing deaths .........etc.

Agreed

[jvs]

8 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Travelled where pray tell.  Interprovincial travel was restricted, we had curfews, and Songkran was canceled in it's entirety. How could you have missed that event, as many on here are now comparing what caused this spread versus last year because of not Canceling the Songkran holiday and travel.  Sorry if my post seems over the top and negative.

I know of a lot of people who travelled,restricted yes,how many times i have heard Thai

people  bypassing a roadblock?Many!

Have you missed the events that led up to the latest outbreaks?

Mostly entitled people breaking the rules and the poor will now pay for it!

I have no problem with what you posted,stay safe!

 

[ChrisKC]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I wouldn't draw any conclusions about someone's death from anecdotal reports on social media.

Just as believable as much from official Thai sources!

 

Seems to me that all information emanating in Thailand  is only suggestive and available for speculation only.

[phills2k1]

19 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

It's been pretty conclusively shown that lockdowns produce their own suffering and deaths...so again it's not so black and white; and policy makers have to weigh the choices available to them.

Just curious, are you involved with a business that would be particularly impacted by a lockdown?

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

It's been pretty conclusively shown that lockdowns produce their own suffering and deaths...so again it's not so black and white; and policy makers have to weigh the choices available to them.

However its also pretty conclusive that a lockdown will reduce the virus outbreak thus leading to reducing overall deaths and suffering, that is clear as clear can be. Without this the suffering will last longer, the deaths will increase and the economy will be shattered more so than without.

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, Marvin Hagler said:

Does anyone else find it impossible to believe that an outbreak of this magnitude that has supposedly spread so rapidly could of possible come from a single nightclub cluster barely 30 days ago? This seems impossible and I am truly amazed that people are buying this scapegoat excuse.

Only those who don't understand mathematics would find it impossible. While it may not be the case that every single one of the current cases can be traced back directly to the one nightclub, it's still entirely mathematically possible that a single outbreak involving multiple people could grow to 2,800 cases within 30 days.

 

You only have to look at the growth of cases in other countries as the disease took hold, to see multiple examples of this kind of growth (sometimes at rates significantly higher than what we're seeing here). At one point in the UK for example, numbers were doubling every 3-4 days.

Edited April 24, 2021 by GroveHillWanderer