seems clear that the puritans running this country are absolutely determined in their effort to not only destroy the entertainment/pub industry but also take tourism down with it 

 

They really have no clue as to the damage they are causing 

 

it is quite frankly incredible stupidity 

Given the entry requirements, including the possibility that one might end up in quarantine for 2 weeks at one's own expense, the likely visitor would NOT be:

 

-Families (too many chances for a positive in the group)

-Those with wives, GFs or property (already came back through the Phuket Sandbox)

-Couples (too much hassle vs other destinations, plus one more chance of a positive test in the party of 2)

 

So who would be the likely entrant?

 

-Single male

 

Now some will come re4gardless of the rules and restrictions, but some % of those who want to come will not come now if bars are closed.

 

Thus, the rules put quite a limit on how many people will show up in November.

 

 

What tourist is going to fly thousands of miles and spend $$$ just to come to a closed country. Can't even buy a beer !

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2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

“Entertainment venues, pubs, bars and karaoke shops in these areas will have to remain closed for the time being.”

 

 My guess would be that this will be the case for the duration of November then, depending on the data remaining positive, the next phase will be reopening bars etc in time for the main tourism to arrive for Xmas/new year period.

 

Its a sensible, measured approach.  

People are not going to book for December on the off chance that entertainment venues are going to be open.

It's the 23rd October and there will be no high season.

Didn't know Nong Bua Lampu was a 'pilot area'!

Bars are still shut - all three of them.

21 minutes ago, Farangus said:

And when all of a sudden the bars and clubs are allowed, thousands of Thais will return to Pattaya, Phuket and Bangkok from Isan. Many of them have not yet been vaccinated. 

That’s a fair point and possibly one reason why the entertainment opening has been delayed to allow the vaccinated numbers to increase. 

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

Will it make Thailand a bad place to bring your family on holiday if the sex industry is gone or vastly reduced?

Just askin'

Did the sex industry curtail the rise in tourism prior to Covid? "Just askin'"

Doublepseak for "We only want tourists that will go shopping in the malls then return to their hotel rooms for the remainder of their holiday.  All others need not apply or fly here."

8 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

That’s a fair point and possibly one reason why the entertainment opening has been delayed to allow the vaccinated numbers to increase. 

The words "grabbing" and "straws" spring to mind.

555.

Think you will find that the entertainment workers in Isaan will not get vaccinated until they have to.

In other words, when the bars open.

 

2 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

That’s a fair point and possibly one reason why the entertainment opening has been delayed to allow the vaccinated numbers to increase. 

Think any folk planning a return to work would be well aware of the need for vax and set to go by now.

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Entertainment venues, pubs, bars and karaoke shops in these areas will have to remain closed for the time being.

It's a good job most tourists come to Thailand for the temples, the food and the smiling people, or this plan would be a failure before it even starts.

2 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Think any folk planning a return to work would be well aware of the need for vax and set to go by now.

Half of this forum are "ready to go" if you get my drift.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

11 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Did the sex industry curtail the rise in tourism prior to Covid? "Just askin'"

It's been in decline for years. Covid just added to the decline, slow to almost overnight

 

The message is very clear do not come to Thailand if you enjoy going to bars and entertainment venues as they are closed but it’s okay to sit in your hotel room and drink yourself silly 

10 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Think any folk planning a return to work would be well aware of the need for vax and set to go by now.

How do 21 year old's or thereabouts get a vax when in Issan to prepare to travel back for work in the tourist hotspots? Especially when all the bars most restaurants and entertainment venues are still closed?

6 minutes ago, overherebc said:

It's been in decline for years. Covid just added to the decline, slow to almost overnight

Natural decline I have no issue with. I do take umbrage to those that move to an area and want to gentrify it, "spoiling" it in the process (not Thailand specific).

 

Personally, I couldn't give a rats if 99% of the go-gos never reopened, but that's based on what I enjoy, it's not for me to project what my "enjoyment" is onto others and deprive them of theirs.

 

2 hours ago, Kadilo said:

“Entertainment venues, pubs, bars and karaoke shops in these areas will have to remain closed for the time being.”

 

 My guess would be that this will be the case for the duration of November then, depending on the data remaining positive, the next phase will be reopening bars etc in time for the main tourism to arrive for Xmas/new year period.

 

Its a sensible, measured approach.  

That's also my guess. I just booked a flight for mid-december as well as accommodation, all still at low season prices.

However, in case of problem, the flight ticket is fully modifiable and accommodation booking can be cancelled up to 11 December. ????

Plenty of paperwork.

1 night in hotel and if your test result if positive, oh dear...

Raining season.

Bars closed.

Ladies of the night, working on ricefields.

 

I see already millions queuing up to come.

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Entertainment venues, pubs, bars and karaoke shops in these areas will have to remain closed for the time being.

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France is doing the same....

 

But the Louvre, the Eiffel Tower, and pretty much everything else tourists go there for will remain closed.

 

Make your reservations now!

 

/s

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

How do 21 year old's or thereabouts get a vax when in Issan to prepare to travel back for work in the tourist hotspots? Especially when all the bars most restaurants and entertainment venues are still closed?

Perhaps you could ask a friend to enquire for you.! 

2 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Natural decline I have no issue with. I do take umbrage to those that move to an area and want to gentrify it, "spoiling" it in the process (not Thailand specific).

If improving it involves making it more pleasant for everyone eg a sewage system that works, lots of nice areas to visit to sit, relax and watch the world go past. Not having to see drunks from wherever on the streets all the time. Not being choked by exhaust fumes from traffic jams most of the time etc etc then I see no reason not to change.

even if they all reopened they would be dead

 

+ a lot of entertainment venues have been demolished or converted into restaurants, this will be the future

 

not such a desirable place to reside anymore if you want to enjoy life

6 minutes ago, candide said:

That's also my guess. I just booked a flight for mid-december as well as accommodation, all still at low season prices.

However, in case of problem, the flight ticket is fully modifiable and accommodation booking can be cancelled up to 11 December. ????

Good for you. 
 

Strange though as some people are adamant that no one would book on the off chance that entertainment venues may be open.

 

. Maybe their crystal ball is having another off day. ????

2 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:

The number of tourists coming to Thailand will be miniscule, for the time being !

A little is better then nothing.

Genuine Question....

No Bars...No Booze...No Entertainment.
Why would anyone bother coming to Thailand for a holiday?

49 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Well, it's closed for those who came for 2/3/4 weeks, whatever, for beer and sex. Most of them couldn't get lucky in deathrow in a womens prison with a handful of pardons.

I wonder how many posters on here have a business interest in the bargirl scene or are really so concerned about the lack of work/income for those who are.

I don't know, but I'm guessing you don't live in a former tourist hot spot where you can go by soi after soi of deserted shops, bars and restaurant's, shuttered up and in complete darkness at nighttime. Or large high end shopping malls with hundreds of shops, restaurants and bars that used to employ thousands of people now completely closed and used as a vaccination site.

 

Its not all about sex, its about a vibrant nightlife that is no longer here for tourists which also includes families. If you actually live in a place like Phuket as I do then you don't need a business interest to see the harm this has done and continues to do. You would also have to be a hermit if you did not know many people who this has directly effected.

 

Its a human trait to have empathy for what has gone on and to those that continue to suffer. 

 

While there are a handful of bars opening in Bangla the majority of the rest of Phuket, 90% remains closed. There are exceptions in some areas for expats etc.

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the CCSA is banning the holding of activities involving more than 500 people that could present Covid infection risks in these tourism pilot areas

And the Pattaya Music festival planned end of npvember ?

About entertainment and new rules, I'm pretty sure nothing will change before 15th november.

5 minutes ago, overherebc said:

If improving it involves making it more pleasant for everyone eg a sewage system that works, lots of nice areas to visit to sit, relax and watch the world go past. Not having to see drunks from wherever on the streets all the time. Not being choked by exhaust fumes from traffic jams most of the time etc etc then I see no reason not to change.

Noe of which are directly related to the "sex industry" that you and others have an issue with. The people that keep bleating about Walking Street should be bull-dozed obviously didn't fly much given that for a couple of years pre-covid it was highlighted in the descent video into swampy as a main tourist attraction.

36 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Did the sex industry curtail the rise in tourism prior to Covid? "Just askin'"

I do not think. Classic sex tourism in Thailand was dying before the pandemic began. I have come to Thailand every winter since 2014. Even in this short period of time it was noticeable that the "industry" was in crisis. Most of the go go bars were deserted or with few customers. Of course, there were exceptions (like my beloved Fahrenheit). But earlier in many establishments there were no free sofas! In 2020 the girls from many beer bars also missed clients (just surfing on social media). And this is Pattaya, which was the center of the nightlife. Things were even worse in smaller resorts like Koh Chang.
Even tourists have changed in just 6 years. If in 2014 there were a lot of Europeans, Australians and guys from North America, then in 2019-2020 the main tourists were guys of Arab appearance, Indians, Russians and Chinese families (at the beginning of 2020 it was very deserted without the Chinese). All these people are not the main contingent for sex tourism, therefore, even without the efforts of the authorities, this industry lost its relevance.
We must admit that the girls have changed too. The prices have become higher, the figures of the girls have become worse (there are a lot of fat girls in go go bars, and after all, there were only girls of model appearance earlier). The most important thing is a change in the girls' behavior. Money and social media have spoiled Thai girls and their legendary care about customers.