4 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

Sure. But "for the time being". It's another 7 weeks until a real season would start.

Patience required.

But this opening could be the start of the end of this real season 

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Social media is too great a force now, and opening without any nightlife, is a misplaced, misguided, and overly puritanical sentiment. ALL tourists want some nightlife. Expect 20,000 tourists in November, 30,000 in December, and 50,000 during what used to be known as "peak season".

 

It feels like willful sabotage. You cannot kill tourism more effectively, if you were doing it deliberately. Therefore, the verdict is in. They are trying to reduce the industry to ashes, and rebuild it in their own image. That of saints, sages and holy Buddhists. Put all the bars, nightclubs, go-go's, and related businesses out of business entirely. Then rebuild the industry as a Disneyworld, family type attraction. Pure as winter snow. 

 

Of course we all know this will be a dismal failure. I expect no more than 4-5 million tourists a year, 5-10 years from now, and for that trend of diminishing arrivals to continue, for the next 50 years. News bulletin! They killed the golden goose. 

 

It is time to admit that the tourism industry has been sabotaged to the point where it will never recover, to any meaningful extent. Ever. Decades from now it will be limping along, and thousands of large hotels will either be closed, or they will attempt to convert them into low priced condos. Eventually many will be razed to the ground. Trillions of dollars in tourism infrastructure down the toilet. Prayuth, Phiphat will go down in history as the men who destroyed the Thai economy, and set the nation on a scorched earth path toward a position of 80th in the world, in GDP, and a dramatic decline of the standard of living, for all but him, his cronies, and the very rich. 

Exactly right, and the pandemic gave them the perfect opportunity to do so.

3 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:

29 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

They have the option of "allowing" multiple, smaller events rather than one big one. One has to think outside the box these days.

Thinking "outside the box" ain't worth jack <deleted> to anyone.

No one got rich on an alcohol ban and Thai festivals for Thai's.

Give it 5 years and it will be Chinese festivals for the Chinese.

With all the earnings being sent back to the motherland.

You are correct. The 'Thailand is a vassal state of China' mantra isn't exactly thinking outside the box.

59 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Virtue signalling... making everyone look good.

No just having consideration for all the bar owners, restaurant and nightlife owners i know in Pattaya.

I know how hard it has been for them and how many have still helped feed the poor and needy while the Thai government have done nothing.

That's not virtue signaling that's actually doing something for another human being.

 

 

Pilot areas

 

Pilot program

 

I guess we're moving on from the sandbox.

 

It gets dizzying especially when no e of the direction has any concrete... direction.

17 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

I stay here because of a long term personal relationship only,

I stay here because I am married to a Thai and wanted to trade up from the city life to a village life, with the occasional trips to the sex industry of course as I have no problem in supporting the industry.

 

I built a house here for 1/10th the price of what it would have cost me back in the land of slavery. 

 

The cost of living here also allowed me to retire here at least 6 years earlier and because I invest the money from the sale proceeds of my house, I pay no tax on the returns of my investments, so not working, making money and not paying tax is a huge win, I mean who would have thought it possible, all of my mates back home say, what, you don't pay tax, how come we do, with my reply being because I am now a foreign resident, that is the law, they made it, so I will exploit it as long as it lasts.

 

Less hassles with driving infringements, and is also much more affordable to live here, warts and all, not the ones from the sex industry ????

 

1 minute ago, Cherrytreeview said:

No just having consideration for all the bar owners, restaurant and nightlife owners i know in Pattaya.

Bunch of degenerates, money launderers and wannabe gangster.

 

I don't give two damns about the owners or even the managers.

55 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

You are correct. The 'Thailand is a vassal state of China' mantra isn't exactly thinking outside the box.

The Sino Thai's run the place.

The Sino Thai's have already been buying up businesses and property.

Unfortunately, your responses not only show your ignorance but it makes your responses even more laughable and irrelevant.

 

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56 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:

No just having consideration for all the bar owners, restaurant and nightlife owners i know in Pattaya.

I know how hard it has been for them and how many have still helped feed the poor and needy while the Thai government have done nothing.

That's not virtue signaling that's actually doing something for another human being.

 

I defer to your superior knowledge of the hardships facing restaurant and nightlife owners you know in Pattaya.

 

But that's about all.

2 hours ago, Percy P said:

A little is better then nothing.

A little is unsustainable, so pointless.

57 minutes ago, Cherrytreeview said:

No just having consideration for all the bar owners, restaurant and nightlife owners i know in Pattaya.

I know how hard it has been for them and how many have still helped feed the poor and needy while the Thai government have done nothing.

That's not virtue signaling that's actually doing something for another human being.

 

Bar owners and whoremongers are such a nice lot who do so much for the country. Come on, don't kid yourself.

51 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Bar owners and whoremongers are such a nice lot who do so much for the country. Come on, don't kid yourself.

You need remove your rose tinted glasses about Thailand.

 

2 hours ago, HeijoshinCool said:

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France is doing the same....

 

But the Louvre, the Eiffel Tower, and pretty much everything else tourists go there for will remain closed.

 

Make your reservations now!

 

/s

Except, of course, the Louvre and Eiffel Tower have been open for months.

8 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

I stay here because I am married to a Thai and wanted to trade up from the city life to a village life, with the occasional trips to the sex industry of course as I have no problem in supporting the industry.

 

I built a house here for 1/10th the price of what it would have cost me back in the land of slavery. 

 

The cost of living here also allowed me to retire here at least 6 years earlier and because I invest the money from the sale proceeds of my house, I pay no tax on the returns of my investments, so not working, making money and not paying tax is a huge win, I mean who would have thought it possible, all of my mates back home say, what, you don't pay tax, how come we do, with my reply being because I am now a foreign resident, that is the law, they made it, so I will exploit it as long as it lasts.

 

Less hassles with driving infringements, and is also much more affordable to live here, warts and all, not the ones from the sex industry ????

 

Yeah,

 

Also, I think I am a bit Covid fatigued, I normally get home to my home country twice a year or countries in this region and it keeps me sane. It's been a long 2.5 years for me without leaving and constant rule changes.

 

Hopefully, things are turning the corner for everybody and here's hoping more normality.

4 hours ago, overherebc said:

Could be that way. It begs the question what will happen to all the real estate in say pattaya that 'was' reliant on dare I say 'the sex industry'?

Will it all end up as family restaurants, Indian tailors and Chinese take aways?

It's all going to be very interesting to say the least.

A lot of other countries have busy tourist businesses that don't rely on an in  your face sex industry.

Pattaya sex industry and sheer decadence was its main attraction. There was no place like it anywhere in the world. It will never recover even as a beach resort. Seawater is dirty and there is nothing  attractive about the city itself;

37 minutes ago, ChrisY1 said:

They want the hookers to disappear!

At least from public view. They want them around for their own use. Always been that way. But, not for the public to see. The land of "pure as snow", remember? 

4 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

Yeah,

 

Also, I think I am a bit Covid fatigued, I normally get home to my home country twice a year or countries in this region and it keeps me sane. It's been a long 2.5 years for me without leaving and constant rule changes.

 

Hopefully, things are turning the corner for everybody and here's hoping more normality.

Agree, last time we went back to the land of slavery it was 2 years ago this month, we normally do it once a year.

 

I can't see the touristy spots of Bangla Road, Walking Street, or Soi Bintabaht returning to normal for at least a year, but I am hopeful that this regime will be replaced well before then so we can, as you say, have some hope of normality returning.

20 minutes ago, Chad3000 said:

Bunch of degenerates, money launderers and wannabe gangster.

 

I don't give two damns about the owners or even the managers.

Well you obviously know all about it and all about bar owners and managers everywhere. 

 

No more to be said then. 

26 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Exactly right, and the pandemic gave them the perfect opportunity to do so.

Correct. What they have engaged in is nothing short of economic terrorism, inflicted upon the majority of the people here. Is it despicable, horrifying, and utterly immoral. But, that is just who the leaders are. 

 

Woe is Thailand. 

1 hour ago, Cake Monster said:

And in 3 to 5 Years time gambling will be made legal in Thailand, with all the big Casino,s Etc being Chinese owned

You only need to look as far as Sihanoukville in Cambodia to see Pattaya,s future.

Bearing in mind that the reason Thailand is (I think) the only country in the region not to have casinos is because the illegal ones rake in billions for the 'untouchables' of Thai society, I doubt that the Chinese will be able to muscle in. If they try, things could get very nasty.

23 minutes ago, antony77 said:

Pattaya sex industry and sheer decadence was its main attraction. There was no place like it anywhere in the world. It will never recover even as a beach resort. Seawater is dirty and there is nothing  attractive about the city itself;

Can't argue with any of your points. And it's those points that made it an embarrassment to the majority of Thais and the government/Tourist Authority. I have no idea how they plan to change it or what they plan to replace it with.

Maybe like this 

6 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

I am hopeful that this regime will be replaced well before then so we can, as you say, have some hope of normality returning.

They can't be replaced. They re-wrote the constitution to make sure that can't happen.

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Correct. What they have engaged in is nothing short of economic terrorism, inflicted upon the majority of the people here. Is it despicable, horrifying, and utterly immoral. But, that is just who the leaders are. 

 

Woe is Thailand. 

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Gave you a like, because I agree. These are sick, evil scum for what they are perpetrating on innocent, helpless citizens.

 

But every country is the same. Intent on bringing the walls down around us.

 

And I for one do not have, nor need, leaders. I am not a follower.

 

 

2 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

For every Neon lit farang style bar there are a hundred Thai bars/karaoke joints / brothels , its an embedded part of the culture.

If you really live in Thailand you must lead a very blinkered and sheltered life.

They are part of Thai culture, ie normal men go to them. 

In farang land, normal men do not go to brothels. The ones that come here for acceptable brothels, disguised as a beer bars, are usually in the throes of a 'sex and love' addiction. All I was saying is that normal

foreigners are preferred here. 

6 hours ago, Kadilo said:

“Entertainment venues, pubs, bars and karaoke shops in these areas will have to remain closed for the time being.”

 

 My guess would be that this will be the case for the duration of November then, depending on the data remaining positive, the next phase will be reopening bars etc in time for the main tourism to arrive for Xmas/new year period.

 

Its a sensible, measured approach.  

But God forbid we have to open the markets, squashed in like a can of sardines

8 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Bearing in mind that the reason Thailand is (I think) the only country in the region not to have casinos is because the illegal ones rake in billions for the 'untouchables' of Thai society, I doubt that the Chinese will be able to muscle in. If they try, things could get very nasty.

Government is short on funds casinos would be very attractive and uncomplicated option to fill the void.

Current incumbents would be pacified with a slice of the action 

the CCSA is banning the holding of activities involving more than 500 people , so groups up to this number are ok , but say 5-10 people in a bar is not ok ? where is the logic ?

 

2 minutes ago, HeijoshinCool said:

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Gave you a like, because I agree. These are sick, evil scum for what they are perpetrating on innocent, helpless citizens.

 

But every country is the same. Intent on bringing the walls down around us.

 

And I for one do not have, nor need, leaders. I am not a follower.

 

 

Agree to some extent. Most leaders are fairly useless. But, some do some good. Some implement good policy. 

 

Here? Prayuth is Mr. Zero. Nada. Nunca. He gives nothing to the people. It is all about self enrichment and making sure his friends and allies get stupid rich. He never does anything without considering the money angle. 

 

Thailand is at the bottom 25, in terms of nation's with the most useless, most hopeless, and the most heinous leaders. 

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

They are part of Thai culture, ie normal men go to them. 

In farang land, normal men do not go to brothels. The ones that come here for acceptable brothels, disguised as a beer bars, are usually in the throes of a 'sex and love' addiction. All I was saying is that normal

foreigners are preferred here. 

Wow normal foreigners all enjoy a teetotal no sex environment? Were you ever young?