Thai Charter court rules that only heterosexual marriages are constitutional

[webfact]

 

Same-sex marriage in Thailand will have to wait, as the Constitutional Court ruled unanimously today (Wednesday) that Section 1448 of the Civil and Commercial Code, defining marriage as being a union between a man and a woman, is constitutional.

 

The court did, however, suggest that parliament, the government and relevant state agencies should enact a law to codify the rights of the LGBT community.

 

The issue was brought to the attention of the Court after the Juvenile and Family Court asked the Charter Court for a ruling in the case of Puangpetch Hengkham and Permsak Saeung, both belonging to the LGBT group, in which they claimed that they should be allowed to marry legally and that Section 1448 is unconstitutional.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/charter-court-rules-that-only-men-women-marriages-are-constitutional/

 

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[MaiDong]

Puangpetch Hengkham and Permsak Saeung absolutely should be able to have their marriage recognised, what century do we live in anyway?

Don't answer that, it was rhetorical..open to legitimate sarcasm. 

[MyFriend You]

I suppose it is akin to "It''s their country, their rules"   Thailand has a long way to go, let's face it, wasn't long ago when they tore out the centerfold out of Playboy magazine, and advertisers could go to jail for showing Girls in their underwear, or cloud out someone smoking a cigarette on TV.............Step by Step.

Edited November 17, 2021 by metisdead
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[Tarteso]

Moved to 18th century Forum  News.

[ikke1959]

Okay ... In fact it is a small step forward, but still a long way to go. I expected that a real marriage was not possible at this moment. But with the Civil Union Bill there is a good alternative for LBGTQ community to get some rights.. But please Government you have the Bill ready pass as soon as possible now. You have waited for the verdict now it is time to pas that Bill

[ChipButty]

48 minutes ago, TunnelRat69 said:

I suppose it is akin to "It''s their country, their rules"   Thailand has a long way to go, let's face it, wasn't long ago when they tore out the centerfold out of Playboy magazine, and advertisers could go to jail for showing Girls in their underwear, or cloud out someone smoking a cigarette on TV.............Step by Step.

And someone who has been shot

[OneMoreFarang]

They didn't allow same sex marriages. But same sex relationships are allowed and common. What's the problem?

Personally I have no problem with people of all shades of LBGT+/- whatever. Live and let live and all that.

 

But why do many people pretend those relationships are just as normal as male/female relationships? I.e. when two gay guys adopt children. Who is the mother? How about breast feeding and all those natural things? It seems some people think all people should be allowed to do anything. Really?

 

What's next? Can I marry my favorite pet? Can we adopt children? You might think I am crazy and that has nothing to do with reality. But think twice. Not long ago nobody would have imagined gay guys marrying and adopting children. Now it's not just described as normal. Now people who don't think it is normal are attacked for their position.

 

How about accepting people like they are. Hetero people can accept that LBGT exist. And LBGT should also accept that not everybody wants to support anything what they want.

[RJRS1301]

12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

They didn't allow same sex marriages. But same sex relationships are allowed and common. What's the problem?

Personally I have no problem with people of all shades of LBGT+/- whatever. Live and let live and all that.

 

But why do many people pretend those relationships are just as normal as male/female relationships? I.e. when two gay guys adopt children. Who is the mother? How about breast feeding and all those natural things? It seems some people think all people should be allowed to do anything. Really?

 

What's next? Can I marry my favorite pet? Can we adopt children? You might think I am crazy and that has nothing to do with reality. But think twice. Not long ago nobody would have imagined gay guys marrying and adopting children. Now it's not just described as normal. Now people who don't think it is normal are attacked for their position.

 

How about accepting people like they are. Hetero people can accept that LBGT exist. And LBGT should also accept that not everybody wants to support anything what they want.

Not every bio mother breast feeds, and bestiality is not only different from same sex marriage, but was a similar obfuscating argument mounted by right leaning bigots in previous debates. Women also often are in same sex relationships and transgender persons, The issue should be around human rights, not sexual orientation or gender. Equal rights is the issue

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[ezzra]

And i'm sure as the sure as the sun will rise today that among those who were against legalizing non heterosexuals there are many who are gays and lesbians and those who swings both ways, whom just had to continue hiding in the closets and voted the way they did out of shame and being labeled as such...

[Tracyb]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

They didn't allow same sex marriages. But same sex relationships are allowed and common. What's the problem?

Personally I have no problem with people of all shades of LBGT+/- whatever. Live and let live and all that.

 

But why do many people pretend those relationships are just as normal as male/female relationships? I.e. when two gay guys adopt children. Who is the mother? How about breast feeding and all those natural things? It seems some people think all people should be allowed to do anything. Really?

 

What's next? Can I marry my favorite pet? Can we adopt children? You might think I am crazy and that has nothing to do with reality. But think twice. Not long ago nobody would have imagined gay guys marrying and adopting children. Now it's not just described as normal. Now people who don't think it is normal are attacked for their position.

 

How about accepting people like they are. Hetero people can accept that LBGT exist. And LBGT should also accept that not everybody wants to support anything what they want.

How do you feel about two women marrying?   Both of them could possibly breast feed.  Oh wait, was either of them pregnant or did they adopt?

[hotchilli]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Same-sex marriage in Thailand will have to wait, as the Constitutional Court ruled unanimously today (Wednesday) that Section 1448 of the Civil and Commercial Code, defining marriage as being a union between a man and a woman, is constitutional.

For a country that purports to recognising the 3rd gender [possibly more] this is the truth and the real Thailand.

 

[Pedrogaz]

I'm in the JK Rowling camp here. There are only two sexes. If you create by surgery a third sex, it is like an artificial flower, ie not natural. 

Whether they can marry some sexes I really don't care about, because I think marriage itself is nonsense, just live together whether sex sex or not.

[Pedrogaz]

42 minutes ago, Tracyb said:

How do you feel about two women marrying?   Both of them could possibly breast feed.  Oh wait, was either of them pregnant or did they adopt?

This is an interesting point. Personally I am turned on by seeing two women kissing or having sex, whereas I cringe when I see two men kissing or holding hands. I'm not saying it means anything but is my innate reaction.

[ChipButty]

I must be a lesbian I like women 

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What's next? Can I marry my favorite pet?

As long as you can teach your pet to give verbal consent, why not?

[Gottfrid]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

As long as you can teach your pet to give verbal consent, why not?

I should be constitutional to marry a goat! As long as you do not violate the goats rights, and never do anything that the goat does not consent to.

[Orinoco]

Thailand  -4.1

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, Tracyb said:

How do you feel about two women marrying?   Both of them could possibly breast feed.  Oh wait, was either of them pregnant or did they adopt?

IVF? Turkey baster?

[mtls2005]

Same sex marriage will be codified here within one-hundred years, possibly.

 

In the meantime, multiple simultaneous wives are allowed in special circumstances. And feel free to keep as many minor wives as you can handle.

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

The issue should be around human rights, not sexual orientation or gender. Equal rights is the issue

Equal right to do what? Equal rights that a guy can kiss a guy or a woman a woman? Equal rights for all children that they have a right to have a father and a mother and that they have the right to be breastfed? 

Rights will always have boundaries. Maybe about humans and animals or age restrictions or whatever. And it makes sense that there are boundaries. The only question is where exactly those boundaries are.

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Equal right to do what? Equal rights that a guy can kiss a guy or a woman a woman? Equal rights for all children that they have a right to have a father and a mother and that they have the right to be breastfed? 

Rights will always have boundaries. Maybe about humans and animals or age restrictions or whatever. And it makes sense that there are boundaries. The only question is where exactly those boundaries are.

Equal to heterosexual humans, simple really.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, Tracyb said:

How do you feel about two women marrying? Both of them could possibly breast feed.  Oh wait, was either of them pregnant or did they adopt?

Every child should have a mother who cares about the child. A father is good to have but in a way optional.

I think one of the problems is that many laws were written (decades ago) with female/male couples in mind. If i.e. there is a law about adoption I am sure in most countries the lawmakers had married female/male couples in mind. But in the law is probably only written "married couples".

So if now a new law allows not only male/female couples to marry that has a lot of consequences for other laws.

Maybe first all existing laws should be amended to refer to married male/female couples. After that then a law can allow other couples to marry each other - without having automatically also the right to adopt children, etc.. 

[OneMoreFarang]

37 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

As long as you can teach your pet to give verbal consent, why not?

They cuddle with me every night. Is that good enough? And can I marry both of them and maybe at the same time my gf? After all, it's about equal rights and all that.

[Tracyb]

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Every child should have a mother who cares about the child. A father is good to have but in a way optional.

I think one of the problems is that many laws were written (decades ago) with female/male couples in mind. If i.e. there is a law about adoption I am sure in most countries the lawmakers had married female/male couples in mind. But in the law is probably only written "married couples".

So if now a new law allows not only male/female couples to marry that has a lot of consequences for other laws.

Maybe first all existing laws should be amended to refer to married male/female couples. After that then a law can allow other couples to marry each other - without having automatically also the right to adopt children, etc.. 

thanks for the reply.  I respect your opinion!

[wombat]

46 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I must be a lesbian I like women 

I'm a female trapped in a man's body.

I love women.

[BritManToo]

53 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

They cuddle with me every night. Is that good enough?

I'm not sure a cuddle would count as consent to sex/marriage in a court of law.

[Tropposurfer]

I'm of the thought and heart that I have no right to tell others how they can live and love. What we need is more love directed living in this cold rationalised world not more rationale. As for state control of who is to be loved I disagree with that premise entirely.

[ChipButty]

Having lived here for 25 years I would have thought the powers that be would have been more tolerant to same sex marriages, they seem to allow everything else

[godonnet]

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

They didn't allow same sex marriages. But same sex relationships are allowed and common. What's the problem?

Personally I have no problem with people of all shades of LBGT+/- whatever. Live and let live and all that.

 

But why do many people pretend those relationships are just as normal as male/female relationships? I.e. when two gay guys adopt children. Who is the mother? How about breast feeding and all those natural things? It seems some people think all people should be allowed to do anything. Really?

 

What's next? Can I marry my favorite pet? Can we adopt children? You might think I am crazy and that has nothing to do with reality. But think twice. Not long ago nobody would have imagined gay guys marrying and adopting children. Now it's not just described as normal. Now people who don't think it is normal are attacked for their position.

 

How about accepting people like they are. Hetero people can accept that LBGT exist. And LBGT should also accept that not everybody wants to support anything what they want.

The problem is that LGBT+ don't have the same rights as heterosexual couples.

 

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But why do many people pretend those relationships are just as normal as male/female relationships? I.e. when two gay guys adopt children. Who is the mother? How about breast feeding and all those natural things? It seems some people think all people should be allowed to do anything. Really?

What is normal? It is also quite normal to get a divorce, should we ban thatas well? Do you have any studies to refer to that proves any disadvantages not having 2 fathers or 2 mothers in stead of a mother and a father? Several countries allows LGBT-adoption, so there should be papers out there on this.

 

 

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What's next? Can I marry my favorite pet? Can we adopt children? You might think I am crazy and that has nothing to do with reality. But think twice. Not long ago nobody would have imagined gay guys marrying and adopting children. Now it's not just described as normal. Now people who don't think it is normal are attacked for their position.

There is a BIG difference in 2 consenting adults and a goat/dog/fish/horse/cow etc or children who absolutely cannot consent to anything. Comparing LGBT+ with child molesters and bestiality  only makes you look like an idiot. 

 

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How about accepting people like they are. Hetero people can accept that LBGT exist. And LBGT should also accept that not everybody wants to support anything what they want.

Replace LGBT (or LBGT as you wrote) with black or colored and read back again.

 

How about just accepting people like they are and also accept them having equal rights? Why should I not have the right to move together with my partner to Thailand? Why should I not have a say when my partner is sick and in hospital? Why should I not inherent my partner? Why should I not get the same economic security and rights as a heterosexual couple? 

[daveAustin]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

Having lived here for 25 years I would have thought the powers that be would have been more tolerant to same sex marriages, they seem to allow everything else

Look who the current powers that be are; completely devoid of humanity and all rational thought.