Brexit brinkmanship: EU orders UK to scrap plan for treaty breach, UK refuses

[RayC]

20 minutes ago, vogie said:

 you cannot complain when you/remainers are responsible for unwittingly getting us further away from the EU than any Brexiteer could have possibly ever dreamt of.

 

Oh but we can and with justification.

 

To point out the blindingly obvious, Remain voters were ... er .... keen to remain in the EU. Moreover, even LeaveUK promised us that there would be a free trade area from "Iceland to the borders of Russia". Still time I suppose, but looking increasingly unlikely.

 

Without a 'Leave' vote we wouldn't be in this mess, the least you can do is own it.

[nauseus]

42 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

I was wondering when you would react otherwise than with a "Haha" emoticon.

Hurrah! I make you do it.

Congratulations then.

[RayC]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

As soon as the ???????? realizes ???????? will be the ones supplying the spirit level we probably will.

I imagine that spirit levels are also manufactured in various states in the EU, so there may be little demand for UK ones under current circumstances!

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

Oh but we can and with justification.

 

To point out the blindingly obvious, Remain voters were ... er .... keen to remain in the EU. Moreover, even LeaveUK promised us that there would be a free trade area from "Iceland to the borders of Russia". Still time I suppose, but looking increasingly unlikely.

 

Without a 'Leave' vote we wouldn't be in this mess, the least you can do is own it.

And without the 'remain' vote we would not be approaching Brexit Utopia, so full credit to you Ray and thanks very much.????????????

[JonnyF]

30 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Meanwhile HMG are (still) getting on with it:

UK and Japan agree historic free trade agreement

 

But, But, But. This must be some mistake.

 

I thought every nation was going to shun us and refuse to deal with us? I thought we were a Pariah nation now? I thought we didn't have any trade deals signed with any significant economies? I thought this was a cliff edge? A train wreck. At least a car crash?

 

Don't tell me the salty Remainers were hamming it up? Surely not...

 

Barnier will love this. I'm sure Merkel will enjoy us buying Nissans instead of their VWs with the fake emissions certificates ????.

 

Plenty more trade deals in the pipeline as well .

 

 

 

 

[Rookiescot]

Ah Brexit the gift that keeps on giving.

Its been a laugh a minute for the last 4 years and its still providing hours of entertainment.

Watching Brexiteers justify their actions then blaming everyone else (even remainers) for the results of those actions. Its comedy gold.

A leave campaign based on falsehoods, outright lies and a few catchy slogans.

Problem is the slogans dont work any more. Now the UK is faced with the stark reality of what those Brexiteers won.

The best part has yet to come. Crashing out with no deal at the end of the year. The economic impact is going to be huge and its on top of the damage corona has already done. 

Brexiteers cheering on here for a no deal exit will be blaming the EU for causing a no deal exit for years to come. Anything but face the harsh reality that its actually their fault for voting for the national suicide that is Brexit. No deal was always going to be the reality when you guys gave the ERG and the Brexit fundamentalists a majority in Westminster.

Still you knew what you were voting for.

 

[nauseus]

24 minutes ago, RayC said:

So Johnson signed a deal (WA) that he didn't believe in? This raises the possibility that he had no intention of honouring it (which seems to be the case). That's an interesting way of negotiating in 'good faith'.

Only after a few tweaks and insertions, yes, I would say he certainly was not keen on it. But the alternative by that stage was more years and years of wasted negotiation time and continued payments into the EU. Perhaps he was hoping for a bit of good faith from the EU for a change? Sorry Boris, not happening. You can see that from the way the WA was "negotiated". 

[robblok]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Thank you for partially answering what I put. Obviously you didn't read what I said.

 

What situation has changed. We have a British Primeminister who isn't a remainer and is changing what the previous PM who is a remainer has done and will get it through parliament as law.

 

What about ignoring referendum results, no answer there.

 

Once in a lifetime referendum. Waited for 43 years to get a referendum and still won.

No comment there.  Quite selective eh.

 

Remainers and non Brits up in arms again.

I answered your question, you obviously have no idea 

 

Scot referendum was in 2014 when the UK would still be in the EU

 

The EU referendum was in 2016

 

So what changed, that is that the UK wants to leave the EU.

 

That is not a minor change that is a huge one.

 

So that is a really good reason to have an other referendum.

Why did you not understand that.

 

The referendum was not binding hence it could be ignored. (laws.. you know the thing the UK seems to like to break right now)

[luckyluke]

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Congratulations then.

And again a written reaction, no "Haha" emoticon. 

I am stunned. 

[RayC]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

And without the 'remain' vote we would not be approaching Brexit Utopia, so full credit to you Ray and thanks very much.????????????

Interesting version of Utopia. Food inflation, increased bureaucracy for exporters/ importers, longer timelines for manufacturers, less 'soft' power on the world stage, etc.

 

Self-harm has never appealed to me but each to their own, Vogie. What's the Brexiters favourite song? 'Hit me baby, one more time'? 

[hotchilli]

9 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The guy is a plank.

And the EU is a monster.

[RayC]

9 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Only after a few tweaks and insertions, yes, I would say he certainly was not keen on it. But the alternative by that stage was more years and years of wasted negotiation time and continued payments into the EU. Perhaps he was hoping for a bit of good faith from the EU for a change? Sorry Boris, not happening. You can see that from the way the WA was "negotiated". 

So to summarize: You agree that Johnson never had any intention of negotiating in 'good faith'.

[Thingamabob]

It's mostly remainers who will object to this. They should shut up, and learn to lose gracefully.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

So to summarize: You agree that Johnson never had any intention of negotiating in 'good faith'.

No, I don't agree with that claim. 

[Rookiescot]

14 minutes ago, RayC said:

So to summarize: You agree that Johnson never had any intention of negotiating in 'good faith'.

Johnson had been shouting that there would be no border down the Irish sea ever since he signed the aggreement.

Everyone assumed he just didnt understand what he had signed up for but the harsh truth is he did he just never intended to honor it.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Johnson had been shouting that there would be no border down the Irish sea ever since he signed the aggreement.

Everyone assumed he just didnt understand what he had signed up for but the harsh truth is he did he just never intended to honor it.

  ?

[dunroaming]

Trump says he lied about Covid-19 so he didn't cause panic.  So why did Boris lie about his "oven ready" Brexit?

 

Talk of "this is what Johnson wanted all along" is fine but he is not pulling the strings here,  that is Cummings who has absolutely nothing to lose over his cavalier games.

 

We on the other hand, just have to sit here and watch Johnson and his scumbag chums trash the reputation of Britain.  Shameful. 

Edited September 11, 2020 by dunroaming

[RayC]

21 minutes ago, nauseus said:

No, I don't agree with that claim. 

So it is Johnson's deal and he did act in 'good faith' but it wasn't that different to the deal that May put forward which Johnson continuously opposed and now Johnson objects to his deal which wasn't really his deal but May's ... Phew... Is that about the sum of it?

[RayC]

14 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Trump says he lied about Covid-19 so he didn't cause panic.  So why did Boris lie about his "oven ready" Brexit?

 

Talk of "this is what Johnson wanted all along" is fine but he is not pulling the strings here,  that is Cummings who has absolutely nothing to lose over his cavalier games.

Maybe Johnson isn't pulling the strings, but he also has nothing to lose. As PM he is out of his depth and he knows it. Our only hope is that he loses public support, and the Tories replace him with someone more competent.

[david555]

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-boris-johnson-facing-tory-revolt-over-plans-to-override-withdrawal-agreement-12068541

Breaking:  Greg Heffer 
Political reporter @GregHeffer  
Friday 11 September 2020 09:50, UK

 

Brexit: Lords could block PM’s plan to override withdrawal deal 
As well as fury from European capitals, the PM has also angered those within his own party ahead of parliamentary votes.

 

 

 

Boris Johnson has been warned he will struggle to get controversial legislation - which seeks to override the Brexit withdrawal deal - through the House of Lords. Lord Howard of Lympne, the former Conservative Party leader, told Sky News he would be "very surprised" if the proposed UK Internal Market Bill was passed by peers.

 

The Brexit-backing peer is the third ex-Tory leader - after Sir John Major and Theresa May - to condemn the prime minister's plan to use the legislation to alter key elements of the UK's Withdrawal Agreement. Mr Johnson himself struck the Withdrawal Agreement last year before formally signing the deal in January. But he is now seeking, through the bill, to empower ministers to set it aside

 

Lord Howard described the government's admission that the proposed legislation would break international law as a "very, very sad day".
"We have a reputation for probity, for upholding the rule of law," he told Kay Burley.

[nauseus]

18 minutes ago, RayC said:

So it is Johnson's deal and he did act in 'good faith' but it wasn't that different to the deal that May put forward which Johnson continuously opposed and now Johnson objects to his deal which wasn't really his deal but May's ... Phew... Is that about the sum of it?

My response was straightforward. But you seem confused. 

[Loiner]

I see the Euros are all over this topic, spitting fury, but as always they're all mouth and trousers. They thought the mighty EU would walk all over the UK as it has their to own countries. Sorry boys, but Boris is a product of the playing fields of Eton so knows a bit about battles with Johnny Foreigner.

The bitter and twisted Remainer losers are still at it too, but still losing. They think their continued plotting and scheming will help to keep us shackled to their cult leaders in Brussels. Even their parliament entrenched collaborators cannot help them this time. Boris has too many votes thanks to his GE landslide.

The Internal Markets Bill, for trading within our own United Kingdom, will prevail over any treaty with an external axis of which we are no longer a member. Anybody would think we were still a member, the way they are going on about it.

[RayC]

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

My response was straightforward. But you seem confused. 

My last post was, of course, tongue-in-cheek. 

 

I am not at all confused. The UK government is prepared to renege on an agreement, which by its own admission, would breach international law: You either support this action or you don't; it is no more nuanced than that. No amount of talk about not really being Johnson's deal, unproven (unprovable) acts of 'bad faith' on the EU's part, etc change those simple facts. 

 

Only you know why you are trying to to defend the indefensible.

[Chomper Higgot]

Oops!

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/nancy-pelosi-brexit-congress-uk-gbr-intl/index.html

 

 

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

My last post was, of course, tongue-in-cheek. 

 

I am not at all confused. The UK government is prepared to renege on an agreement, which by its own admission, would breach international law: You either support this action or you don't; it is no more nuanced than that. No amount of talk about not really being Johnson's deal, unproven (unprovable) acts of 'bad faith' on the EU's part, etc change those simple facts. 

 

Only you know why you are trying to to defend the indefensible.

And only you know why you are trying to put words in my mouth. Why not read what I said again. 

[3NUMBAS]

8 hours ago, edwinchester said:

Johnson, Gove et al the other Brexiteers negotiated this <deleted> deal, campaigned during an election of how great it was for the UK and then voted to accept it in a Parliamentary vote, it's their <deleted> deal! They are nothing but scheming, opportunist, duplicitous vermin.

an apt description of the EU mafia in brussels .they make slimy rats look cuddly

[3NUMBAS]

well couldn't find the loophole or the law that is going to be annulled ? It would appear though that having a country controlling the movement of goods in the internal market of another independent country is probably illegal anyway . This is what the WA changes are addressing. If EU took UK to some court or arbitration the UK would win. Do these 'remainers' also believe that having another country controlling our fishing waters is also ok ?.

[candide]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oops!

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/nancy-pelosi-brexit-congress-uk-gbr-intl/index.html

 

 

So let's summarise:

- no deal with the EU

- no deal with the US

- that leaves China as a potential partner. Hmmm... What about those British vessels patrolling with the US Navy in the South China Sea? ????

 

Wait, wait! Good news are coming!  ????

https://www.kyivpost.com/business/britain-ukraine-to-sign-new-deal-on-free-trade-strategic-partnership.html

[3NUMBAS]

japan is happy and a agreement is reached

 

https://www.ft.com/content/1cb01980-ee86-4283-b25a-528c5b3b1807

The UK is poised to strike its first post-Brexit trade deal after Britain and Japan made a breakthrough on agricultural access, according to negotiators. Toshimitsu Motegi, the Japanese foreign minister, and UK trade minister Liz Truss will hold a teleconference on Friday morning London time to confirm their agreement in principle to a new free trade pact, they added. The deal with Tokyo will come at a welcome time for Prime Minister Boris Johnson as his move to unpick parts of the Brexit withdrawal treaty risks the collapse of trade talks with Brussels. Negotiators said they had reached a compromise on agricultural access to Japan, most notably for British cheese. But it is unclear whether the UK has won an export quota to match the one it had as a member of the EU. Speaking after a cabinet meeting in Tokyo, Mr Motegi said he aimed to reach an agreement in principle on Friday with Ms Truss. One Japanese negotiator

[newatthis]

45 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oops!

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/nancy-pelosi-brexit-congress-uk-gbr-intl/index.html

 

 

CNN and a gutter tramp like Pelosi. Wow! Britain should be shaking in their boots.