2 hours ago, ignis said:

NOT ME...Some of us have severe allergic reaction to Vaccines from childhood, Did have the Flu jab 20 years ago, and still 20 years later have some of the side effects, as with all Vaccines also some medication that have been prescribed over the years,  often wonder how many weeks I have spent in ICU/Hospital because of severe allergic reaction in the past 70 years

 

 

You are aware that the Mrna vaccines are made differently than the old  vaccines, you can tell a Dr. about your reactions to past meds/vaccine and they will tell you which of the current vaccines you can take without an alergic reaction.

21 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

You are aware that the Mrna vaccines are made differently than the old  vaccines, you can tell a Dr. about your reactions to past meds/vaccine and they will tell you which of the current vaccines you can take without an alergic reaction.

Both my Dr and the Specialist he sent me to. said to give this Vaccine a miss. I did have part 1 of the pneumonia vaccine 9 months ago = in a Coma in ICU + 4 nights in Hospital

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Impossible to equate covid booster and the flu jab. I can go about everyday life without the flu jab but not so with covid.

Well that and the fact we are on the grips of a COVID pandemic, not a Flu pandemic.

1 hour ago, ignis said:

Both my Dr and the Specialist he sent me to. said to give this Vaccine a miss. I did have part 1 of the pneumonia vaccine 9 months ago = in a Coma in ICU + 4 nights in Hospital

The upshot of that is, your personal safety from COVID is dependent on sufficient numbers of others being vaccinated such as to drive the COVID R0. below 1.

 

You are an example of the vulnerable people who are protected by mass vaccination of others.

 

I did my bit, I got my shots.

 

Stay safe.

On 9/24/2021 at 6:32 PM, Golden Triangle said:

This is for all you antivaxxers, you don't seem to realise that although you refuse to join society as a whole & use the hackneyed phrase ' we don't know how this will affect us in years to come ', yet you want to go to bars, use the shops that I or my mrs use, go get a massage, go to the gym or cinema or a 100 other things that people like to do.

 

Well I don't want you spreading the foul disease anywhere near me thanks and prefer you stay in the confines of your room, condo or house, shop online and drink alone at home, because you are all social lepers.

 

And I really am a believer that immigration should ensure your compliance by refusing to extend your stay in the kingdom if you refuse to conform to society and get the necessary 2 shots, unless it's a one shot vaccine of course.

And the vaccinated individuals are not spreading the "foul" disease to others?

 

Hint

8 minutes ago, niccodemi said:

And the vaccinated individuals are not spreading the "foul" disease to others?

 

Hint

I'm well aware of that study, I was referring to people who won't vaccinate but want to ditch masks, open bars and carry on as before with no thought for the safety or wellbeing of those with compromised immune systems or carry a higher risk due to underlying problems before the majority have had the chance to be fully vaccinated.

 

And different studies conclude different things - some say the viral load is less etc etc, so nothing is set in stone as yet.

9 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

I was referring to people who won't vaccinate but want to ditch masks, open bars and carry on as before with no thought for the safety or wellbeing of those with compromised immune systems or carry a higher risk due to underlying problems before the majority have had the chance to be fully vaccinated.

You'd think the sick could avoid going to bars.

Maybe stay at home and take a few precautions to protect themselves.

Especially now the CDC says vaccination doesn't stop transmission.

(As demonstrated by the 12 fully vaccinated restaurant staff in Hua Hin all diagnosed with COVID)

 

As for vaccination,

If someone were to turn up at my door with a free vaccination and a document accepted by the UK government as 'proof of vaccination' allowing me to re-enter the UK without quarantine, I'd probably say OK. But as it stands I'd need to be re-vaccinated again in the UK for it to count.

35 minutes ago, niccodemi said:

And the vaccinated individuals are not spreading the "foul" disease to others?

 

Hint

Did you read the article before posting?

 

Vaccinated individuals who suffer breakthrough infections can carry as high a viral load as non vaccinated.

 

1. Breakthrough infections are the small number of of vaccinated people who get sick with COVID - already significantly less than unvaccinated people.

 

2. ‘Can carry as high a viral load’ is not ‘do always carry the same viral load’.

 

3. ‘Viral load’ is not transmission of infection.

 

4 The evidence is consistently mounting, vaccinations are drastically reducing the spread of this wretched disease:

 

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1. Breakthrough infections are the small number of of vaccinated people who get sick with COVID - already significantly less than unvaccinated people.

It would be interesting to relate this to the 12 fully vaccinated but infected staff at the Hua Hin restaurant.

Small number ........ I wonder how many staff there were, and what percentage were infected.

Let's hope 'small number' is not equal to everyone.

Got a friend who felt forced and got double vaxxed in Europe, returned just a month after Phuket sandbox and is now in a BKK hospital with covid. So much for the brilliant experimental vaccines. 

News from UK that vaccines do a lot to prevent infection. 

 

 

45 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Got a friend who felt forced and got double vaxxed in Europe, returned just a month after Phuket sandbox and is now in a BKK hospital with covid. So much for the brilliant experimental vaccines. 

This is why scientist examine data, not anecdotes.

 

It’s also why scientists examine the source and veracity of data before applying it in their research.

55 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

It would be interesting to relate this to the 12 fully vaccinated but infected staff at the Hua Hin restaurant.

Small number ........ I wonder how many staff there were, and what percentage were infected.

Let's hope 'small number' is not equal to everyone.

It would be even more interesting to know what vaccine they had, when they had it and the outcome of their infections.

China Vaccine Diplomacy Wavers as Nations Seek Western Shots

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/china-vaccine-diplomacy-wavers-nations-035710049.html

 

 

 

Coronavirus can transform pancreas cell function; certain genes may protect an infected person's spouse

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-transform-pancreas-cell-function-200111820.html

 

 

A big new study from Oxford University confirms the bad news about long Covid

https://qz.com/2065959/oxford-study-finds-long-covid-symptoms-in-one-third-of-cases/?utm_source=YPL

4 hours ago, niccodemi said:

And the vaccinated individuals are not spreading the "foul" disease to others?

 

Hint

And hospital ICU's aren't being overwhelmed because of the refusal of so many not to vaccinate? Care isn't being rationed because of them? What is so difficult to understand that the overwhelming majority those with life-threatening symptoms or deaths from Covid are among the unvaccinated?

5 hours ago, niccodemi said:

And the vaccinated individuals are not spreading the "foul" disease to others?

 

Hint

 

Breakthrough COVID Infections: How Long Are Vaccinated People Contagious?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/breakthrough-covid-infections-long-vaccinated-094519817.html

 

 

5 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Got a friend who felt forced and got double vaxxed in Europe, returned just a month after Phuket sandbox and is now in a BKK hospital with covid. So much for the brilliant experimental vaccines. 

Breakthrough cases do occur - and the elderly are still highly susceptible even if they are fully vaccinated. This experiment has well over a billion participants and they are effective in reducing deaths and hospitalisations. 

Don't worry, you will get your immunity one way or another.

6 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Got a friend who felt forced and got double vaxxed in Europe, returned just a month after Phuket sandbox and is now in a BKK hospital with covid. So much for the brilliant experimental vaccines. 

What about the friend of your brother-in-law's dentist? How is he doing?

On 7/26/2021 at 10:21 PM, thailanddogerator said:

it would be sad to inject what I do not need because I have no social life with anyone and anyway plan to wear a mask forever.

Not much chance of getting a social life is you are always masked, 

Seems to have gone off topic. 

 

Are foreigners going to be told to get a vaccine for their visas?

 

7 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Got a friend who felt forced and got double vaxxed in Europe, returned just a month after Phuket sandbox and is now in a BKK hospital with covid. So much for the brilliant experimental vaccines. 

Thank you for your report from the distinguished medical journal I Have A Friend Who...

9 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Seems to have gone off topic. 

 

Are foreigners going to be told to get a vaccine for their visas?

 

It would not bother me the least if they did.

 

 

9 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Not much chance of getting a social life is you are always masked, 

Some of the public health measures to fight this wretched disease have negatively impacted my social life; specifically lockdowns, closure of bars, restaurants and cafes.

 

I can’t think of any instance of face masks restricting my social life.

 

They have however introduced the occasional instance of ‘eye flirting’, which has brightened one or two days.

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Seems to have gone off topic. 

 

Are foreigners going to be told to get a vaccine for their visas?

 

If they were to do that then I would think the same would stand for all foreigners entering Thailand, It's OK if they would put an end to the COE.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It would not bother me the least if they did.

 

 

I think anyone what wants a vax should be forced against their will not to get one...

 

It would not bother me the least if this happened...

14 hours ago, Tony125 said:

China Vaccine Diplomacy Wavers as Nations Seek Western Shots

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/china-vaccine-diplomacy-wavers-nations-035710049.html

 

 

 

Coronavirus can transform pancreas cell function; certain genes may protect an infected person's spouse

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-transform-pancreas-cell-function-200111820.html

 

 

A big new study from Oxford University confirms the bad news about long Covid

https://qz.com/2065959/oxford-study-finds-long-covid-symptoms-in-one-third-of-cases/?utm_source=YPL

Well with all this bad news I sure hope you plan the keep wearing your mask for a very long time...

43 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

I think anyone what wants a vax should be forced against their will not to get one...

 

It would not bother me the least if this happened...

Seems like the antivax crusaders don't actually respect the "freedom" and "personal choice" they are supposedly advocating.

1 minute ago, Someone Else said:

Seems like the antivax crusaders don't actually respect the "freedom" and "personal choice" they are supposedly advocating.

Please look up the meaning of the word... Sarcastic....

10 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

Please look up the meaning of the word... Sarcastic....

More like...trolling.

3 hours ago, redwood1 said:

I think anyone what wants a vax should be forced against their will not to get one...

 

It would not bother me the least if this happened...

Hundreds of millions, if not billions of people don’t yet have access to the vaccines, they are dying at the same rate as those who choose not to get the vaccine, tragically, those currently denied access to vaccines are also very often denied access to hospitals and medical services.

 

As with much of self centered ‘me’ thinking, it’s founded on the privileges of wealth and the benefits of a society that looks after individuals no matter what part they play in creating their own need for help.